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Every few years we, as Mets fans, seem to be having the same conversations. The only thing that never changes with this Organization is the ownership. I have believed, and still do, that they do a really poor job. The Organization needs someone with a very strong personality such as Lou P to take over and right the ship. Instead we get Philips, Omar, Howe, Willie, Manuel.....
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It starts way way up at the top. Omar got a 4-year extension coming off 2 consecutive collapses. What would the Dolpons do if they made it to the NLCS? Give him 1/2 ownership of the team? |
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Agree 1000%!! You are getting carbon copies of Wilpon personality...bland, not opinionated, not strong people...Mets/Wilpons ARE CLEARLY AFRAID of strong personalities either in leadership positions or as players. They would never be comfortable with the type of player like Cole Hamels who calls a spade a spade and calls the Mets "chokers"; but you know what? The guy is a winner..same with Jimmy Rollins... Those players are getting that "attitude" from the Manager imo who is an "old-school" baseball guy and not afraid to get in a players face and straighten their butt out! This message has been edited. Last edited by: Hernandezfan, |
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Yes.
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I thought Manuel was supposed to be the "anti-Willie", the disciplinarian type who preaches fundamentals, "gets in people's faces" and rules with an iron hand.
What happened to that? |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tonym713:
[ What would the Dolpons do  Like that Tony DOLPONS (contraction of Dolan and Wilpon)..very good...are you really that smart that you made that up or did you steal it..? Very good in either case..clever |
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"...(like D Wright who is great guy but seriously white bread country boy from Virgina)"
You can say many things, but at least know what you're talking about. Having lived in Hampton Roads for 8 years begining in 2000, I can tell you that the region is NO different from virtually any suburban NJ area. He's no country bumpkin! |
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K Steverino...calm down big guy!  |
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I've been calling them that for a while now. I made that one up, far as I know. |
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General Manager |
Franco's on Daily News Live and is contradicting himself. Now he says Wright is a leader and that he never said he wasn't. Franco admits that his perception of Wright from the Spring - i.e, hesitant to be a leader - could have changed since then, i.e, Franco isn't around the team to know, and admits he isn't. As for Franco's accuracy of perception and trusting his judgment, no I don't trust someone commenting on something he's not around see - leadership in the clubhouse. Point blank, he isn't around this team enough to know what happens there. None of us are and please show me where I've ever said anyhing pretending to know which players lead in the clubhouse. Don't put words in my mouth. As far as Franco, within his first 5 seconds on DNL, he made one factual error and 2 inaccuracies - Said Wright is 25, and that Sheff and Delgado are 400 homers guys. Wright is 26, Sheffield has 509 homers, and Delgado has 473. Doesn't know his facts. It doesn't matter how long he's been in the game, if he's not in the clubhouse or around the team consistently - it's like Wright said, Franco is not around the clubhouse to know what's going on. As far as Wright, it makes no difference to me when he started leading. And it makes no difference to me which players lead. Clubhouse leadership amongst players has never been a topic that has much interested me. |
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Wow. Now you look foolish considering Murphy was never blocked by Castillo given he was a third baseman.  In 230 minor league games, Murphy played second, in 17, first base 13, LF 4, and the remainder, third. In those 17 second base games, he made five errors. Muprhy has 55 errors in 230 mnior league games. The Mets have not, and do not associate Murphy with second base at the major league level. If they intend to keep him, I think they should, otherwise there doesn't seem to be a viable position for him. |
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Would you prefer the 25 guys....25 cabs type clubhouse??? A leader should be able to help solidify the team.....remind people what they are here for....and make players responsible for their actions on the field...the good with the bad.... A team without a good leader...as in real life...is a rudderless ship...The other players put their trust in them..and respect the suggestions they make...and relay to management,thru the leaders as spokepersons,their concenrs and suggestions....which otherwise would have remained mute... |
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Murphy was NEVER going to play 3rd for the Mets as long as DW's a Met was he? Delgado was NEVER going to play any position other than 1st was he? So the ONLY positions left for him were LF or 2nd right? The ONLY reason 2nd wasn't even considered IMO was because Omar had signed Castillo to a 4 year deal and Castillo wasn't going to play any other position than 2nd was he? How is it "foolish" to think "if" Castillo wasn't a Met that Murphy would have been given a shot there but not "foolish" to think Murphy should be given LF when, as you point out, he'd ONLY played FOUR games there in the minors? |
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Hodges, I have nothing against leadership amongst players - In fact, I believe it important and prefer a team have several who possess strength and humility and have the respect of their peers, but historically, as topic of interest to me - i.e., who provides it, - it's never really mattered to me. If it's it David Wright, Carlos Beltran, Johan Santana, Pedro Martinez, Keith Hernandez - whoever - makes no difference to me. The designation of who leads is very team specific and credibility accrues over time. At 24, Dontrelle Willis was Marlin's leader amongst a team filled with youth and inexperience. On another team filled with Vets, he may have had no role. Above and beyond however, I believe the manager needs to step up - seems like the manager as leader has gone with the wind and makes no sense to me. Why aren't team meetings with rhe manager at the helm, the norm, rather than exception? Why aren't players required to travel from hotel to stadium together? It seems to me the power of the player - power of the union - has given players more autonomy in detriment to the team, and team concept. Seems to me the gradual shift in baseball culture over the past 15-20 years, is part of the problem. |
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IMHO,it's about the salary disparity between players and managers...the players are pampered by the owners because of the huge salaries they demand...prima donnas so to speak...managers are a lot cheaper and easier to replace..that's why I feel a peer,in a leadership role,will have more of the teams attention than anyone else... A perfect example of that would be Lou Pinella calling out Milton Bradley..and then,the very next day,apologizing for his comments..do you really think that came from Lou??? I mean Lou said he was sick and tired of seeing this guy get angry and act out over and over again,,Was he not telling the truth??? We all know the answer to that...lou may have said some things I was not aware of....that might have called for an apology...but i did not see that...But,as far as I can tell, Lou spoke the truth ..told the player to take off his uni and was rebuffed...and for this he had to offer an apology??? Just a small example of the tail wagging the dog.. |
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