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i hope omar has learned his lesson from the past 2 seasons about ignoring and trying to bandage the pen.

that being said, k-rod is the best closer available period. go get him. fuentes is a hit or miss junk baller who lost his job in heat of rockies playoff run. wood is 1 pitch away from career over, why else would cubs let him walk. huston street is a set up man at best.

your biggest need is to overhaul the pen. it all starts with the closer and the you get the rest...and k=rod is the best available period!
 
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i hope omar has learned his lesson from the past 2 seasons about ignoring and trying to bandage the pen.

that being said, k-rod is the best closer available period. go get him. fuentes is a hit or miss junk baller who lost his job in heat of rockies playoff run. wood is 1 pitch away from career over, why else would cubs let him walk. huston street is a set up man at best.

your biggest need is to overhaul the pen. it all starts with the closer and the you get the rest...and k=rod is the best available period!


Socal, regarding Fuentes, I don't consider him a junkball pitcher. When you take a good hard look at the statistical breakdown of his pitches - it's easy to see an artist at work. The average speed of his fastball in 2008 was almost same as K-Rod - 91.9 vs. 91.6. His change is 18-19mph slower. He throws other pitches in the 80's. K-Rod's other pitches - change and slider - are also in the 80's. rom what I've read, his slider isn't as good as it was.

Fuentes, by the way, averages more than one strikeout per inning for his career and did last season as well.

According to today's Newsday, the Mets remain very concerned about K-Rod's health and have been asking around about his health, mechanics, and why the Angels barely seem interested in retaining in.

They also worry about Fuentes age, and Wood's injury history. Whoever the Mets sign, I will heartedly welcome, but I think K-Rod is a serious arm or shoulder injury waiting to happen maybe as soon as 2009. He also has some issues with his ankle. Fuentes has a strange throwing motion as well, but like I said, he's been incredibly consistent in speed variables and differentials year after year. I think healthwise, he's the lowest gamble.

Back to K-Rod? What accounts for his loss of velocity 2 years running at such young age? Wear and tear, Labrum? Or is it just maturity as pitcher learning how to pitch, not just throw?

Fuentes, on the other hand, has been remarkably consistent in speed of all his pitches. Check out fangraph.com.
 
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Fuentes is not a junk ball pitcher and I think he's a good pitcher but I don't like him as closer for the Mets. This guy already lost his closers job in Colorado and I don't know if he can handle NY.
 
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a guy with a history that includes losing his job as a closer doesn't belong in new york. it doesn't take a genius to figure that out; i'm surprised fuentes is even on the mets' radar

rodriguez comes with questions but so do others. i liked the idea of bobby jenks but he too would come with injury questions, as his strikeout rate has declined alot recently. ditto huston street, god knows he has injury questions.

nobody seems to be a sure thing so you might as well stick with the best available, which has to be k-rod
 
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a guy with a history that includes losing his job as a closer doesn't belong in new york. it doesn't take a genius to figure that out; i'm surprised fuentes is even on the mets' radar

rodriguez comes with questions but so do others. i liked the idea of bobby jenks but he too would come with injury questions, as his strikeout rate has declined alot recently. ditto huston street, god knows he has injury questions.

nobody seems to be a sure thing so you might as well stick with the best available, which has to be k-rod
Mental toughness doesn't seem to be apart of Fuentes makeup. Lacking that spells imminent disaster for a player in NYC!!!!
 
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a guy with a history that includes losing his job as a closer doesn't belong in new york. it doesn't take a genius to figure that out; i'm surprised fuentes is even on the mets' radar

rodriguez comes with questions but so do others. i liked the idea of bobby jenks but he too would come with injury questions, as his strikeout rate has declined alot recently. ditto huston street, god knows he has injury questions.

nobody seems to be a sure thing so you might as well stick with the best available, which has to be k-rod


Fuentes gained it back and was tied for 6th in the NL last year with 30 saves. He had 82 K's in 66.2 innings with only 22 BB's. Excellant WHIP - better than KROD for two years in a row.

I like Fuentes and would have no problem with him.

Mets are leery of K-Rod's health and have been asking around all over the majors. Fuentes's 2008 avg fastball was virtually same as K-Rod, 91.6 vs. 91.9. K-Rod'avg velocity has decreased two years in a row. The question is why?
 
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a guy with a history that includes losing his job as a closer doesn't belong in new york. it doesn't take a genius to figure that out; i'm surprised fuentes is even on the mets' radar

rodriguez comes with questions but so do others. i liked the idea of bobby jenks but he too would come with injury questions, as his strikeout rate has declined alot recently. ditto huston street, god knows he has injury questions.

nobody seems to be a sure thing so you might as well stick with the best available, which has to be k-rod
Mental toughness doesn't seem to be apart of Fuentes makeup. Lacking that spells imminent disaster for a player in NYC!!!!


From what do you conclude he lacks mental toughness?

He lost his closer job due to injury.

At Shea, for his career, 6 games, 5.2 innings, 2 hits, 1 run, 1 BB, 8 K's. No runs in 2 innings last year.

At Citizen's Bank - 6 games, 1 hit, 4 BB, 6 K's, 1 HBP. No runs.

At Turner Field - 5 games, 4.2 innings, 1 hit, 1 run, 1 walk, 7 K's.

Dolphins Stadium - 8 games, 6 innings, 3 runs, 6 BB, 6 K's, 1 HBP

David Wright says he's tough to hit against.

He lost his closer job in 2007 after blowing 4 straight saves near the all star break. He was by the way, selected as All Star but had to give up his spot due to back/Lat strain. He was on the DL for nearly 6 weeks.

Here's Article From MLB.COM About Him:

PHOENIX -- When it came time for National League players and managers to cast their ballots for this year's All-Star team, it wasn't difficult for them to include Brian Fuentes' name. For the first 2 1/2 months of this season, he'd simply provided the same kind of dominance that had earned him trips to the Midsummer Classic in each of the previous two seasons.
By the time these ballots were tallied, Fuentes was unable to enjoy the fact that he'd been selected to a third consecutive All-Star Game. Instead, he was burdened with the reality that he was headed for a trip to the disabled list that would ultimately cost him his job as the Rockies closer.

Now, as the Rockies prepare to face the Diamondbacks in their first trip to the National League Championship Series, Fuentes finds himself a valuable member of the bullpen. No longer the closer, he's now the effective setup man, who has displayed a sense of unselfishness that has gained him further respect amongst his teammates.

"His attitude has been great about it," said LaTroy Hawkins, another former closer who has proved effective as a middle reliever with the Rockies. "He's talked about it probably zero times. The media has made a bigger stink about it than he has. That lets you know what kind of person that he is."

After collecting saves in two of the three wins in June's sweep of the Yankees at Coors Field, Fuentes was simply continuing a successful streak that had started during April's second week. But during his next five appearances, he blew four save opportunities, allowed 13 runs -- 10 earned -- in just 3 2/3 innings, and saw opponents compile a .542 batting average.

Obviously something was wrong, and that was proven when it was learned that he had a mild lat strain on his right side. The ailment sidelined him from July 4-Aug. 14, and when he returned, Manny Corpas had established himself as the team's dependable closer.

Although he'd converted 20 of 22 save opportunities in the 31 appearances that preceded his five-game slide, Fuentes understood the Rockies' decision to stick with Corpas, who converted 19 of 22 save opportunities and posted a club record for relievers with a 2.08 ERA in 78 appearances.

"I do it for my teammates," Fuentes said. "I played with these guys all year. Whining about not closing isn't going to help the situation. You only worry about the things you have control over, and that's not one of the things I had control over."

Since returning, Fuentes has proven just as a dominant in the setup role. In his final 24 regular-season appearances, the 32-year-old right-hander limited opponents to a .159 batting average. In that dominant 31-game stretch that preceded his five-game frustrating stretch, he'd limited opponents to a .157 batting average. "

Five forgettable performances and one injury cost Fuentes his role as the closer. But he hasn't lost sight of the ultimate goal of helping the Rockies win their first world championship.

"Manny is our closer right now, and I'm going to help get the ball to him," Fuentes said. "It's not about egos. You've got to check your ego at the door. That's basically what it boils down to."

Utilizing some advice he'd received many years ago from former closer Mike Jackson, Hawkins addressed his fellow Rockies relievers the day before the season began. He told them their success as a unit would be even more important than anything the offense or the starting rotation would provide.

I told them if we do our job, we can take the team a long way," Hawkins said. "If we don't do our job, it's going to be another rocky season."

When a sore right elbow sidelined Hawkins in May, the Rockies bullpen stayed strong in the same manner that it would when Fuentes was lost for more than a month. The emergence of Corpas was important, and many on the team believe the May acquisition of Jorge Julio provided much-needed stability.

In his first 24 appearances with the Rockies, Julio posted a 2.38 ERA and limited opponents to a .213 batting average. The veteran reliever struggled down the stretch with some soreness in his back and hasn't been included on the roster for either of the first two rounds of the postseason.

"What he did when he got here in the middle part of the summer won't be forgotten by his teammates," Hawkins said.

Nor will the unselfishness shown by Fuentes, who says he'd love to provide Corpas with four save opportunities during this NLCS.

"I don't look at it as [Fuentes] losing his job," Hawkins said. "He was hurt, and we needed somebody to step in. Corpas stepped in and did an unbelievable job."

LINK - MLB.COM

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a guy with a history that includes losing his job as a closer doesn't belong in new york. it doesn't take a genius to figure that out; i'm surprised fuentes is even on the mets' radar

rodriguez comes with questions but so do others. i liked the idea of bobby jenks but he too would come with injury questions, as his strikeout rate has declined alot recently. ditto huston street, god knows he has injury questions.

nobody seems to be a sure thing so you might as well stick with the best available, which has to be k-rod
Mental toughness doesn't seem to be apart of Fuentes makeup. Lacking that spells imminent disaster for a player in NYC!!!!


From what do you conclude he lacks mental toughness?

He lost his closer job due to injury.

At Shea, for his career, 6 games, 5.2 innings, 2 hits, 1 run, 1 BB, 8 K's. No runs in 2 innings last year.

At Citizen's Bank - 6 games, 1 hit, 4 BB, 6 K's, 1 HBP. No runs.

At Turner Field - 5 games, 4.2 innings, 1 hit, 1 run, 1 walk, 7 K's.

Dolphins Stadium - 8 games, 6 innings, 3 runs, 6 BB, 6 K's, 1 HBP

David Wright says he's tough to hit against.

He lost his closer job in 2007 after blowing 4 straight saves near the all star break. He was by the way, selected as All Star but had to give up his spot due to back/Lat strain. He was on the DL for nearly 6 weeks.

Here's Article From MLB.COM About Him:

PHOENIX -- When it came time for National League players and managers to cast their ballots for this year's All-Star team, it wasn't difficult for them to include Brian Fuentes' name. For the first 2 1/2 months of this season, he'd simply provided the same kind of dominance that had earned him trips to the Midsummer Classic in each of the previous two seasons.
By the time these ballots were tallied, Fuentes was unable to enjoy the fact that he'd been selected to a third consecutive All-Star Game. Instead, he was burdened with the reality that he was headed for a trip to the disabled list that would ultimately cost him his job as the Rockies closer.

Now, as the Rockies prepare to face the Diamondbacks in their first trip to the National League Championship Series, Fuentes finds himself a valuable member of the bullpen. No longer the closer, he's now the effective setup man, who has displayed a sense of unselfishness that has gained him further respect amongst his teammates.

"His attitude has been great about it," said LaTroy Hawkins, another former closer who has proved effective as a middle reliever with the Rockies. "He's talked about it probably zero times. The media has made a bigger stink about it than he has. That lets you know what kind of person that he is."

After collecting saves in two of the three wins in June's sweep of the Yankees at Coors Field, Fuentes was simply continuing a successful streak that had started during April's second week. But during his next five appearances, he blew four save opportunities, allowed 13 runs -- 10 earned -- in just 3 2/3 innings, and saw opponents compile a .542 batting average.

Obviously something was wrong, and that was proven when it was learned that he had a mild lat strain on his right side. The ailment sidelined him from July 4-Aug. 14, and when he returned, Manny Corpas had established himself as the team's dependable closer.

Although he'd converted 20 of 22 save opportunities in the 31 appearances that preceded his five-game slide, Fuentes understood the Rockies' decision to stick with Corpas, who converted 19 of 22 save opportunities and posted a club record for relievers with a 2.08 ERA in 78 appearances.

"I do it for my teammates," Fuentes said. "I played with these guys all year. Whining about not closing isn't going to help the situation. You only worry about the things you have control over, and that's not one of the things I had control over."

Since returning, Fuentes has proven just as a dominant in the setup role. In his final 24 regular-season appearances, the 32-year-old right-hander limited opponents to a .159 batting average. In that dominant 31-game stretch that preceded his five-game frustrating stretch, he'd limited opponents to a .157 batting average. "

Five forgettable performances and one injury cost Fuentes his role as the closer. But he hasn't lost sight of the ultimate goal of helping the Rockies win their first world championship.

"Manny is our closer right now, and I'm going to help get the ball to him," Fuentes said. "It's not about egos. You've got to check your ego at the door. That's basically what it boils down to."

Utilizing some advice he'd received many years ago from former closer Mike Jackson, Hawkins addressed his fellow Rockies relievers the day before the season began. He told them their success as a unit would be even more important than anything the offense or the starting rotation would provide.

I told them if we do our job, we can take the team a long way," Hawkins said. "If we don't do our job, it's going to be another rocky season."

When a sore right elbow sidelined Hawkins in May, the Rockies bullpen stayed strong in the same manner that it would when Fuentes was lost for more than a month. The emergence of Corpas was important, and many on the team believe the May acquisition of Jorge Julio provided much-needed stability.

In his first 24 appearances with the Rockies, Julio posted a 2.38 ERA and limited opponents to a .213 batting average. The veteran reliever struggled down the stretch with some soreness in his back and hasn't been included on the roster for either of the first two rounds of the postseason.

"What he did when he got here in the middle part of the summer won't be forgotten by his teammates," Hawkins said.

Nor will the unselfishness shown by Fuentes, who says he'd love to provide Corpas with four save opportunities during this NLCS.

"I don't look at it as [Fuentes] losing his job," Hawkins said. "He was hurt, and we needed somebody to step in. Corpas stepped in and did an unbelievable job."

LINK - MLB.COM
David Wright would say that he's tough to hit against, especailly since Fuentes comes in to close tight games and Wright's clutch factor in close games late (at least last year) was about equivilent to letting Randy Tate bat with the bases loaded. Big Grin
 
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a guy with a history that includes losing his job as a closer doesn't belong in new york. it doesn't take a genius to figure that out; i'm surprised fuentes is even on the mets' radar

rodriguez comes with questions but so do others. i liked the idea of bobby jenks but he too would come with injury questions, as his strikeout rate has declined alot recently. ditto huston street, god knows he has injury questions.

nobody seems to be a sure thing so you might as well stick with the best available, which has to be k-rod
Mental toughness doesn't seem to be apart of Fuentes makeup. Lacking that spells imminent disaster for a player in NYC!!!!


From what do you conclude he lacks mental toughness?

He lost his closer job due to injury.

At Shea, for his career, 6 games, 5.2 innings, 2 hits, 1 run, 1 BB, 8 K's. No runs in 2 innings last year.

At Citizen's Bank - 6 games, 1 hit, 4 BB, 6 K's, 1 HBP. No runs.

At Turner Field - 5 games, 4.2 innings, 1 hit, 1 run, 1 walk, 7 K's.

Dolphins Stadium - 8 games, 6 innings, 3 runs, 6 BB, 6 K's, 1 HBP

David Wright says he's tough to hit against.

He lost his closer job in 2007 after blowing 4 straight saves near the all star break. He was by the way, selected as All Star but had to give up his spot due to back/Lat strain. He was on the DL for nearly 6 weeks.

Here's Article From MLB.COM About Him:

PHOENIX -- When it came time for National League players and managers to cast their ballots for this year's All-Star team, it wasn't difficult for them to include Brian Fuentes' name. For the first 2 1/2 months of this season, he'd simply provided the same kind of dominance that had earned him trips to the Midsummer Classic in each of the previous two seasons.
By the time these ballots were tallied, Fuentes was unable to enjoy the fact that he'd been selected to a third consecutive All-Star Game. Instead, he was burdened with the reality that he was headed for a trip to the disabled list that would ultimately cost him his job as the Rockies closer.

Now, as the Rockies prepare to face the Diamondbacks in their first trip to the National League Championship Series, Fuentes finds himself a valuable member of the bullpen. No longer the closer, he's now the effective setup man, who has displayed a sense of unselfishness that has gained him further respect amongst his teammates.

"His attitude has been great about it," said LaTroy Hawkins, another former closer who has proved effective as a middle reliever with the Rockies. "He's talked about it probably zero times. The media has made a bigger stink about it than he has. That lets you know what kind of person that he is."

After collecting saves in two of the three wins in June's sweep of the Yankees at Coors Field, Fuentes was simply continuing a successful streak that had started during April's second week. But during his next five appearances, he blew four save opportunities, allowed 13 runs -- 10 earned -- in just 3 2/3 innings, and saw opponents compile a .542 batting average.

Obviously something was wrong, and that was proven when it was learned that he had a mild lat strain on his right side. The ailment sidelined him from July 4-Aug. 14, and when he returned, Manny Corpas had established himself as the team's dependable closer.

Although he'd converted 20 of 22 save opportunities in the 31 appearances that preceded his five-game slide, Fuentes understood the Rockies' decision to stick with Corpas, who converted 19 of 22 save opportunities and posted a club record for relievers with a 2.08 ERA in 78 appearances.

"I do it for my teammates," Fuentes said. "I played with these guys all year. Whining about not closing isn't going to help the situation. You only worry about the things you have control over, and that's not one of the things I had control over."

Since returning, Fuentes has proven just as a dominant in the setup role. In his final 24 regular-season appearances, the 32-year-old right-hander limited opponents to a .159 batting average. In that dominant 31-game stretch that preceded his five-game frustrating stretch, he'd limited opponents to a .157 batting average. "

Five forgettable performances and one injury cost Fuentes his role as the closer. But he hasn't lost sight of the ultimate goal of helping the Rockies win their first world championship.

"Manny is our closer right now, and I'm going to help get the ball to him," Fuentes said. "It's not about egos. You've got to check your ego at the door. That's basically what it boils down to."

Utilizing some advice he'd received many years ago from former closer Mike Jackson, Hawkins addressed his fellow Rockies relievers the day before the season began. He told them their success as a unit would be even more important than anything the offense or the starting rotation would provide.

I told them if we do our job, we can take the team a long way," Hawkins said. "If we don't do our job, it's going to be another rocky season."

When a sore right elbow sidelined Hawkins in May, the Rockies bullpen stayed strong in the same manner that it would when Fuentes was lost for more than a month. The emergence of Corpas was important, and many on the team believe the May acquisition of Jorge Julio provided much-needed stability.

In his first 24 appearances with the Rockies, Julio posted a 2.38 ERA and limited opponents to a .213 batting average. The veteran reliever struggled down the stretch with some soreness in his back and hasn't been included on the roster for either of the first two rounds of the postseason.

"What he did when he got here in the middle part of the summer won't be forgotten by his teammates," Hawkins said.

Nor will the unselfishness shown by Fuentes, who says he'd love to provide Corpas with four save opportunities during this NLCS.

"I don't look at it as [Fuentes] losing his job," Hawkins said. "He was hurt, and we needed somebody to step in. Corpas stepped in and did an unbelievable job."

LINK - MLB.COM
First of all,Tol,he lost his 9th inning role not once ,but twice. It was the kid Corpus who was a greater factor getting the Rockies into the WS. That said, my feeling about this guy is from observation,both from a body language and demeanor point of view and his shot put like delivery,which I find hard to believe can get the Gun to the mid '90's. When he enters a game he has that Victor Zambrano look once potchkering(Nervously fidgeting)around the mound. That said,I could understand paying him for peripheral(I just can't use the terms set up or 8th inning duty)bullpen services teaming with KRod(After doing due diligence on his arm and speed factor)and a few other upgrades!
 
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huston street is a set up man at best.

your biggest need is to overhaul the pen. it all starts with the closer and the you get the rest...and k=rod is the best available period!


So lets get both! Thumbs Up
 
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