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Originally posted by ozzman:


There are certainly major issues facing us Grote I think we can definetly agree about that.

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Ok I apologize but by the way your talking it's almost impossible to believe your a Republican.

What do you mean fear mongering? John McCain really didn't even get a chance to acknowledge there was even a war going on because almost the entire time the focus was on the economy which obviously was his downfall and the reason he lost. Bush used "scare tactics" in 2004 against Kerry but they worked because people were and are concerned over another attack. They knew Bush would do everything in his power to keep the fight over there and not here.

Let me ask you a serious question, let's pretend your the presidential nominee for the Democrats and i'm a long time party member who not only is a prominent figure in your party but I also have played a large role in recent elections for your party. Then I decide to endorse the Republican nominee. I go the republican convention and bash you a few times questioning your qualifications and such.

Then the guy I endorsed loses. The election is over and you have to start deciding who remains in which position of power. Do you pick me who your not particulary fond of for the treatment I gave you or do you go with someone less qualified and who you have no problems with? Let's just assume it's someone less qualified becuase finding someone as qualified and respected as Lieberman will be extremely difficult. I know it's Reid decidng Lieberman's fate but i'm just throwing this scenario out there because I want you to play Obama's role and what your thinking would be in his position.

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Ozzman, the issue with Lieberman extends well beyond his support for McCain. Lieberman is former Democratic VP candidate spewing lies and distortions. It's his lies and distortions said about Obama in front of the world, that makes Lieberman unacceptable to remain in Chairmanship positions. It's unacceptable to lie and distort, and he is getting punished for that, and rightly so. Integrity is a qualification for Committe chairmanship, and Lieberman overplayed his hand.

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Originally posted by ozzman:
You had to take a swipe at Bush there didn't you?

Like I said before I didn't want Obama to win but now that he'll be our president he has my support 100%. That's what being an American is all about. Rallying with each other to improve the country in any way we can.

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Ozzman, the issue with Lieberman extends well beyond his support for McCain. Lieberman is former Democratic VP candidate spewing lies and distortions. It's his lies and distortions said about Obama in front of the world, that makes Lieberman unacceptable to remain in Chairmanship positions. It's unacceptable to lie and distort, and he is getting punished for that, and rightly so. Integrity is a qualification for Committe chairmanship, and Lieberman overplayed his hand.

Why are they lies because they were against your candidate and they don't support your views. So of course they are lies. You seem to point out all the republican lies, are there any democrat lies. Probably not in little tolerence world the dems have done no wrong.

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I used to have tremendous respect for Lieberman, but it's been eroding the past few years and is now completely gone.

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The top part of that quote is absolutely true Tolerance. Obama was voted the most liberal person in the senate for a reason and he didn't say Obama didn't put country first like Obama hates his own country, he just meant when McCain served his country and put it first in that way. Lieberman was campaigning for McCain so putting down Obama was kind of part of the job. John McCain's old friend Joe Biden certainly didn't hold back on his attacks YET i'm willing to bet a lot that McCain would put Biden in a high spot had he won instead of Obama. Enough with personal feelings being hurt, put COUNTRY FIRST! I don't care how bad the Democrats feel about Lieberman leaving them because if he's the best man for the job that should b his job. Let's get real here for a second, this is our country we're talking about not a group of friends that all have to love each other and get along.

Let's not talk about distortion and pretend like the Democrats didn't try that themselves. Elections are very dirty and now that's it's over with they need to put personal feelings aiside. This is rediculous.

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The top part of that quote is absolutely true Tolerance. Obama was voted the most liberal person in the senate for a reason and he didn't say Obama didn't put country first like Obama hates his own country, he just meant when McCain served his country and put it first in that way. Lieberman was campaigning for McCain so putting down Obama was kind of part of the job. John McCain's old friend Joe Biden certainly didn't hold back on his attacks YET i'm willing to bet a lot that McCain would put Biden in a high spot had he won instead of Obama. Enough with personal feelings being hurt, put COUNTRY FIRST! I don't care how bad the Democrats feel about Lieberman leaving them because if he's the best man for the job that should b his job. Let's get real here for a second, this is our country we're talking about not a group of friends that all have to love each other and get along.

Let's not talk about distortion and pretend like the Democrats didn't try that themselves. Elections are very dirty and now that's it's over with they need to put personal feelings aiside. This is rediculous.

Lieberman overplayed his hand, spewed lies and distortions and took his message to the Republican Convention. Obama campaigned for Lieberman in 2006 when he was hanging on for dear life after losing the Dem primary. Two years later, Lieberman returns the favor by trashing him with lies and distortions in front of the whole world. He could have supported McCain without trashing Obama well beyond what was decent. He completly insinuated Obama doesn't put country first, and that Obama voted against protecting our troops. FYI, McCain also voted against protecting our troops when the bill contained a timeline for withdrawl. In the last few months of his campaign, McCain quite often put ambition before country first. That's my opinion, as is Lieberman selling off his own integrity.

Not only that, beside trashing talking Obama, he then raves about Palin like God's gift until the near end where he said thank God she won't have to take over the Presidency on day one. And when Palin was spewing Obama hate, saying he's Anti-American, socialists, terrorist sympatheizer, communist - spurring hate - there's Lieberman on stage with her, over and over. That's a disgrace.

Now that McCain lost, Lieberman's back playing nice. I don't for a moment feel Lieberman can be trusted, nor does he deserve retaining a chairmanship in matters of national security. He's an Independent so he should just go over the Republicans and caucus with them. It's Obama who's being tmore than gracious by saying he should stay.

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Originally posted by Serapheem:
I plan on being loyal opposition. So when I call shennanigans on dear leader remember.. I am just doing my patriotic duty

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Originally posted by Serapheem:
So when I call shennanigans on dear leader remember.. I am just doing my patriotic duty