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very interesting. Thanks for posting.
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Major Leagues |
some might think this is cold for the Rangers to do but hockey is a business and as a business they have every right to see what their rights are and if it's a conditional draft pick then they should defenitely seek it
My only issue with it is the wording used ... not that they are seeking compensation since it's their right under the CBA This message has been edited. Last edited by: SnowKitten35, |
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All Star |
It's sad and that we'd all prefer if Chere was alive and not even have to deal with compensation but getting a 2nd rounder in 09 can prove to be useful in a deep draft. I'm sure Cherepanov would want that for us
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Why this would even be an issue is beyond me. If the player did not develop & the team chose not to sign him then they would get the compensatory pick. Hopefully the NHL does not attempt to punish the Rangers for having the temerity to sue the NHL.
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Major Leagues |
This is just plain shameful on the Rangers behalf. "Technically he's still eligible to be drafted" Disgraceful, it's one thing to inquire about it, just in case, but to come up with a line like that is pathetic.
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All Star |
Why is this "shameful"? Are the Rangers not entitled to seek remedy, if one exists OR the question of one possibly exists, for a tragedy that injured their organization through no fault of their own? I cannot understand how ANY true Ranger fan cannot support their advocacy for this. I could understand if they jumped on this two days after Chere passed, but I think they were respectful enough and allowed enough time to pass before making this case. So, in your eyes, if a party is aggrieved and suffers a loss due to the negligence/maliciousness of a third-party, the "classy" thing to do is not stand up for their rights and make an attempt to be made whole again? If a relative of yours was injured by a drunk driver, would you not feel it your right to seek legal remedy and retribution against the driver? Were the Goldman's "classless" in suing O.J. Simpson for "wrongful death" on behalf of their slain son? I certainly think they were not, rather it was their LEGAL right. That is America. Without having read verbatim the contents of the CBA, I do not know if the Rangers have a legal right to this. It could be a gray area. Of course, if the CBA is non-specific in blocking their rights to a compensatory pick, then they should be granted it. It's sort of like if a store advertises that a 50% off sale on winter coats will end on "Tuesday", when they meant to say Tuesday 11/4/08. If you come in to the store on 11/5/08, you can make an argument that you should benefit from the sale. If they correct their ad afterwards to prevent others from taking the same advantage, fine, but they should still acquiesce and grant you the sale price. If the CBA is not thorough enough in it's language, and they want to change it afterwards, fine. In the meantime, the Rangers should be granted the compensatory pick. I know one individual, an avid Islander fan, who would probably rather die than grant the Rangers any compensation here. Unfortunately, he is probably the individual who ultimately has the power to direct the final decision... that individual is Gary Bettman. |
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Major Leagues |
As soon as i saw you posted here I knew you'd be complaining about Bettman.
Cherepanov died, the Rangers lost out, it's that simple. Did the Flyers get compensated when Pelle Lindbergh died?
This paragraph has nothing at all to do with the situation at hand, nothing at all, did the NHL kill Cherepanov? The negligence in this case is with Omsk and the Kontinental League, you really think the NHL should be responsible? |
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Sports Fan |
This has nothing at all to do with the situation at hand either, the reason for citing CBA Article 8.3 is because the Rangers were unable to sign their first-round draft pick. |
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Major Leagues |
Pelle played for the Flyers. Different situation completely.
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General Manager |
Come on,Dykstra!! Can you ever be objective? This is a downright "goulish" request on the part of the Ranger brass! There was a quote that "We are not trying to capitalize on Cherepanov's death.". That is EXACTLY what they are attempting to do! The kid would have wanted it that way?? What a bizzare rationalization?? Someone here stated that when a player is drafted but doesn't develop and is chosen not to be signed,that team is entitled to a compensatory pick?? NONSENSE!!! There isn't any such rule! A glut of players who weren't signed 2 years after their drafting simply go back into the draft. Shame on all of you who are finding reasons to make this a conscience clearing act! Never have I heard of such a disgusting request from a professional sports organization! The Rangers from Sather on up should be ashamed of themselves!! Years ago the Islanders drafted a kid named Duncan McPherson on the 1st round who died in an avalanche while playing in a tournament in Switzerland. They also lost a 2nd round pick(a promising kid named Melanson)who died on his dressing room table.As mentioned,Pelle Lindbergh a great young goaltender died after crashing his Porche. Tragedies unfortunately occur and lives are lost,but NEVER have I heard a professional organization requesting a replacement!! Dykstra is aware that I am an Islanders fan. He also knows and is well aware that if they ever proposed something such as this they would feel my wrath!! |
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All Star |
A few things about this paragraph: - It's "that simple"? Really? Maybe instead of looking at this from a "simple" view, you should have looked a little deeper and done your homework regarding this and my next point: the situations are different in the context of the Rangers argument in the Cherepanov case. Lindburgh was, A) drafted by the Flyers, B) SIGNED by the Flyers, and C) PLAYED for the Flyers. Cherepanov was, A) drafted by the Rangers. That's all she wrote. If you can't tell the difference, I give a hint at the end of my post. - Further, did your "simple" response ignore the fact that the CBA now and the CBA in 1985 when Lindbergh died ARE DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS? Or, do you SIMPLY believe that the CBA was drafted when the NHL was sanctioned in 1927 and remains in effect as is in perpetuity. Bear in mind that the argument the Rangers are making is done so in the landscape of the CURRENT CBA, not the one that existed in the Lindburgh days. - If you are a Ranger fan, is it not obvious by now that there is a LOT to complain about with Bettman? He STILL has not uttered a word of sympathy for the tragedy that took Alexei's life. And did you see how he celebrated the opening of the continental NHL season this year? By ringing the bell at the NY Stock Exchange with two ISLANDER players in their sweaters? Does it strike you the least bit odd that the NYSE is in Manhattan, and there IS a team in Manhattan? Don't you think it would be fitting, then, for two RANGER players to join him for this? But, then again, Bettman would find that as tasteful as me having two Islander players over for dinner.
Your response has nothing to do with my assertion. Where did I state that the NHL should be held responsible for Cherepanov's death? Please find that and post it, OK? All I stated is that when a party suffers a loss, and there is a remedy in writing, at law or in policy in a legally binding document, where that party can be made "whole", REGARDLESS of where they receive that benefit, the aggrieved party has a right to pursue that. And although the KHL is apparently responsible for Cherepanov's death, I hardly think the KHL can award the Rangers a compensatory pick in next year's NHL draft... unless you really are reading a version of the CBA from Bizarro World. (HINT FROM ABOVE: the difference is, "B" and "C" never happened between the Rangers and Cherepanov). |
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All Star |
Can I BE objective? In regards to your response here, I think the more germain question is can YOU be objective as an Islander fan commenting on a Ranger loss, when surely Islander fans would not shed a tear over such. For your information and enlightenment, if a player is drafted and does not sign with the team that drafted him by the two year period before the upcoming draft, yes, that player goes back into the draft, AND the team that failed to sign the drafted player DOES get a compensatory pick. So, given that I stated before that I have not seen the exact wording of the CBA provision relating to this, the only people who would predictably consider what the Rangers are doing to be so horrible ARE the fans of the rival Islanders, b/c anything that benefits the Rangers is far worse even than what helps their own Islanders. The Rangers have every right to make this argument and see how it flies. And how do you know that Cherepanov would not want the Rangers to be compensated for his loss of life? Do you speak to him with an Ouija Board? Although I am quite aware of the Dunc MacPherson situation when he perished in the skiing accident, that was under a different CBA. Was there a clause in that CBA under which the Islanders could make an argument for a compensatory pick? I do not know. If there was not, then your angst toward the Rangers here is moot. If there was, then instead of trying to discredit the Rangers here, why don't YOU be objective and criticize YOUR Islanders for not making that argument in the early '90's? Is it that the Rangers management is astute enough to inspect legal documentation and try at least to get what they may be entitled to, and the Islander organization is not?... Is THAT what is causing your angst? |
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Major Leagues |
I don't find anything wrong with a Ranger inquiry as to a compensatory draft pick. After all, you'll never know unless you ask. However, to actually expect a positive ruling in such a matter is about as absurd as accepting the existence of the Easter Bunny, tooth fairy, or believing that the commish has it in for you because he supposedly roots for one of your competitors.
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General Manager |
Dykstra!! You are an intelligent fellow!! Can you honestly state that the Rangers aren't attempting to take advantage of an NHL ruling to strengthen themselves as a result of a young mans death? They are seeking their right to be WHOLE once again? COME ON NOW!!! WHOLE once again?? They have a fabulous system with plenty of goodies on their shelves. They as an organization should grieve this LOSS of a young life along with the poor boys family and move on!! Their "business" like mindset here is downright cold and bloodless. I think I have you figured out fairly well. When one of your teams or players behave in a reprehensible manner,you disguise your embarrassment by twisting turning and spinning in a desperate attempt to defend them with all your passion and love,like a mother hen protects her young. What is my basis for this assumption you might ask? When the shoe is on the other foot you exhibit the antithesis and find no trouble at taking the first opportunity to step on the throat of the opposition. My God! If the Patriots,Islanders,Braves or Phillies ever proposed or did such a thing,you would be heard from immediately. Of course you will find a way to dispute this,but I can see right thru you,my friend. God Bless! |
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