Good thing I wasn't drunk when reading Dykstra and Lucky's posts

I don't know about that 90, I kinda wish I was.

Hard to believe we're all friends, eh?

Its hard to believe that Im STILL reading every post in this ongoing battle with you two, and now Lucky is involved as well....if only the books I have to read in school were as exciting as this havoc, maybe then I wouldnt fall asleep in class

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Originally posted by fanaticRANGER:
....if only the books I have to read in school were as exciting as this havoc, maybe then I wouldnt fall asleep in class

I feel the same way in my Business class which is awfully boring. The teacher is nice but his method of teaching makes you go to sleep

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Originally posted by rangermaniac90:

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Originally posted by fanaticRANGER:
....if only the books I have to read in school were as exciting as this havoc, maybe then I wouldnt fall asleep in class

I feel the same way in my Business class which is awfully boring. The teacher is nice but his method of teaching makes you go to sleep

At your service! I would be pleased to be partly responsible for keeping you awake in class. Now go out and "ace" that business(Marketing?Management?) class.

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Originally posted by fanaticRANGER:
Its hard to believe that Im STILL reading every post in this ongoing battle with you two, and now Lucky is involved as well....if only the books I have to read in school were as exciting as this havoc, maybe then I wouldnt fall asleep in class

Here is a remedy for you young man(Woman??). Take one tablespoon of "Lucky" and "Red" each morning and you will be as sharp as a tack for the entire day without side effects. I would discuss the possibility of adding a teaspoon of 4kdykstranailit to your regimen with your physician first. It is very potent and will certainly keep you awake,but is also known to cause delusion, hallucination and paranoia.

Fine, KC, I'll take these on one at a time:

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Wow, dykstra, your argument is going in so many directions it can't be navigated. Why did you compare this to OJ, or being compensated for a drunk driving accident?

Well, if one is going to think "simply", then no, you can't navigate what I'm discussing here, and obviously that seems to be your fate. The analogy I'm making has nothing to do with the GRAVITY of a loss one suffers due to an incident, but SIMPLY the right of the party that suffered the loss to seek any remedies that may be available to them. Do you not think that is a right of any such party? And if so, than how can you reconcile being a Ranger fan, and feeling they do not have the right to look into a compensatory pick?

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Bizzaro world? I'll go there when you leave and open up some room. Your paranoia is insane. I'm surprised you haven't complained about God striking down Cherepanov because he doesn't like the Rangers.

The last sentence of yours is ludicrous. Since when did I mention God's involvement in this? And YOU are the party saying that I'M making points that can't be navigated? As you opine that, seek the nearest mirror, and restate it to yourself for several hours. At least I'm not invoking extra-terrestrial, religious and faith-driven beings that we have never seen with the naked eye into my suppositions.

Insane paranoia? Maybe instead, you are a follower who refuses to open their mind and connect the dots. Maybe it scares you if you can calculate what may be going on? Figuring out what's really happening is all about connecting the dots in life. No one is going to put every reality out there for our convenience. Richard Nixon didn't put a neon sign on the White House before the 1972 Presidential election stating "I just bugged the Democratic Headquarters", did he? It had to be exposed, probably by someone who connected the dots. George W. Bush didn't go on TV in March of 2003 and announce to our nation "we are going into Iraq so I can finish my father's work and oust our family nemisis" did he? (Well, at least that's my opinion). Similarly, Gary Bettman is not going to go on TV, or do an interview for The Hockey News, and state "I actually cannot stand the Rangers, I hated them for years, and I'd love to see them finish last in the conference every year while the Isles return to their glory days". You're going to have to connect the dots to figure that one out.

What I am referring to, that you seem to have difficulty navigating, are events that happened, things that were said, or knowledge that has been gained, over time. I'm just taking 2 + 2 and announcing my results. And, when the dust settles, don't be surprised if reality comes up with 4, or reasonably close to it.

You, apparently, are still struggling with 1 + 0. Good luck.

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This has nothing to do with CBAS when compared to past deaths, name one sport where a team has ever been compensated for the death of a player? Should vancouver be compensated for Bourdon? He was already signed, but what if vancouver says they could have netted a first round pick by trading him, should they get that pick?

Did you read one of my earlier responses? I'll try these points again:

- The Bourdon scenario has nothing to do with this, as I've ALREADY noted that the Lindbergh scenario did not either. Recall when I stated that "B" and "C" never happened with the Rangers and Cherepanov? Both Bourdon and Lindbergh succesfully signed AND played for their franchises. The Rangers argument surrounds an interpretation of a clause in the CURRENT CBA that grants a compensatory draft pick to a team who drafts a player whose amateur status falls under the agreement terms and does not sign with that team within two years after being drafted. This has NOTHING to do with a player who already signed. If the Rangers had come to contract terms with Chere already, their argument would be useless.

- It's irrelevant whether or not any other team in any sport has ever been compensated for the death of a player. This is not "another sport", this is the NHL. This is not the same terms and conditions that governed the league since the current CBA was passed in 2005. This is ALL about the current CBA of the NHL, and the Rangers belief that they have a valid argument that interpretation of the language entitles them to a compensatory pick. You would have a problem if they get this? You are a Ranger fan, right???

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"whole"????

Yes, whole. Ever take a business law course? If so, did you nap during the lectures? This is a very common term in both the courts and the insurance industry. Many laws in our country were created in the interest of "making whole" a party who suffers a loss through no fault of their own. Most cases in civil court surround this principle.

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raider said it perfectly, it's okay to ask, just to see where it goes, but to actually expect something is dreaming in color.

I agree on both points. On the second point, I restate that the Rangers will not win this argument b/c Bettman doesn't want them to... period. Why should I trust a confessed Islander fan running a league containing both his and his rival team to be fair to the Rangers?

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The Rangers should have waited a few more months before bringing this up. There was no ruch. After the absurd comment about him technically being able to reenter the draft, the league should tell them they are going to wait until June 1st to decide, because "technically" the Rangers could still sign him before then.

What is a "ruch"? Looked in Webster's, Funk & Wagnalls, Vinny Boom-Bats' Lingo Reference, and even an Ebonics website. Can't find that word.

Maybe you meant "rush"? Well, what the hell, IMO that band used to be great, but the last time they wrote a true epic song was circa 1982.

The Rangers waited long enough to bring this up. It's been several weeks. The funeral and post mourning has taken place. The grief will always be there regardless, b/c poor Alexei's life cannot be brought back. I see nothing wrong with their timing. I do agree with you that the "technically be able to draft him" comment was ill-advised by the Rangers, and in their interest they should have chosen a better argument, but it is possible the specific language of the CBA may support their contention. And, it's fine with me if the league waits until June 1st, since the next draft takes place in or around the 3rd week of June anyway, so it would not interfere with this upcoming draft anyway, now would it???

See, looking at the calendar is also about connecting the dots and adding 2 + 2. See how easy?

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Are you done now? Look! If I may speak for Red,we aren't going to change your paranoid,irrationally protective behavior toward your positive and negative passions. It is much too tiring,and quite frankly none of our business. I don't know about Red,but what has me irked is for being such an obviously bright and articualte mature individual,you concoct excuses and rationalizations expected of a ten year old. The Nats lied down for every team on this planet other than the Mets? The Patriots (every single one of them mind you)are the scum of the earth? Pat Burrell is Fat Squirrel(How childish)because he has been a Mets nemisis for his entire career? I just am plain sick and tired of the "Other side" of 4Dykstranailsit. By the way,as great a player Lenny was he demonstrated himself as a foul mouth low life off of the field! Now for the DEFENSE!!! I'm gone!!

Obviously, I'm not done. Probably won't be until I'm dead... then again, maybe not.

So shall I sum up your response here as "yeah, you're smart, but when you don't see the same things I see, you're delusional, paranoid, irrational, and behave like a 10 year old"? If so, that is personally disappointing, but it does not deter me from stating what I see, b/c that's just what I go by.

Was I correct about the Nats? Or, can you link to a boxscore where they won at least ONE game from the Phillies in the last regular season series this year? Again, I go by what I see.

When did I state that EVERY Patriot player was "scum of the earth"? In fact, you may find a couple of posts where I've lauded Troy Brown as a true professional, and stated that Tom Brady was very classy in his post SB press conference this past January. Why is it you seem to ignore both sides of the coin when arriving at characterizations? Maybe b/c some of my points are things you'd prefer not to hear about your hockey team? That ain't too fair, now is it?

Yes, I still call the Phillies soon to be FA leftfielder "Fat Squirrel", and probably always will. Besides his pattern of only playing hard against our baseball team, until the past two years when he's now hit everyone, he's also earned my disfavor in the fued with Billy Wagner, who you probably know by now I am a supporter of.

Funny what you say about Lenny's "foul mouth". Perhaps the guy's sophistication of speech and writing is not on par with a political candidate. But I'll tell you one thing, and a major reason my he is my favorite MLB player, my screen name, and why I identify with him: while politicians who talk so "appropriately" also lie through their teeth while doing so, Lenny ALWAYS told it like it is. Some people may have cringed at the delivery, but he put it right out on the table.

Maybe someday you will understand that similarity between me and Lenny instead of resorting to characterizations such as "paranoid, irrational, and ten-year old". But if you don't, I'll just continue to tell it like I see it, regardless.

i don't want to get into the argument of who is right or wrong because afterall this is a business.

but one thing i think is for sure, if alexi was in the states the last two years and playing for the rangers whether it be the big club or down in the farm he would probably still be alive.

i say this for two reason

1. he would have had better immediate medical attention when he was first having problems which in turn could have raised his chances of survival.

2. if he was in our system and exposed to the organizations medical staff on a day in and day out basis this problem might have been discovered sooner and at the very least he may not have been able to continue hockey but at least continue life.

i will say that this situation is entirely different then other incidents in the past because the main determining factor which is the cba is not the same as that era so on that alone it may be in the rangers favor as well as any other team who fell into the same situation.

plus this also happened while he was playing for a team we had relations with and were to some extent safe guarding our future and they clearly dropped the ball on this one.

the rangers passed on a lot of good talent to get cherry and who knows if his health would have prevented him from ever even playing for the club but one thing is for sure the team and the league he was playing for failed miserably at every level in preventing and to remedy the final outcome.

in hindsight knowing all the facts cherry had a time bomb ticking inside of him and was doomed right from the start because of the organization and league he chose to remain with and that is just as much a tradgedy in itself coupled with the fact that we lost someone way too soon in life.

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Originally posted by Lucky:

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Originally posted by rangermaniac90:

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Originally posted by fanaticRANGER:
....if only the books I have to read in school were as exciting as this havoc, maybe then I wouldnt fall asleep in class

I feel the same way in my Business class which is awfully boring. The teacher is nice but his method of teaching makes you go to sleep

At your service! I would be pleased to be partly responsible for keeping you awake in class. Now go out and "ace" that business(Marketing?Management?) class.

Management

Dyl, if you READ my posts you would clearly see I didn't have a problem with the Rangers asking, it's the manner and timing in which they did it. The next GM meetings are in March, so wouldn't Jan or Feb have sufficed?
Let's take a look at this sentence:
I'm surprised you haven't complained about God striking down Cherepanov because he doesn't like the Rangers.

You haven't complained! Yet you took that as an accusation.

Thanks for pointing out and making a big deal out of a typo. That's what people tend to do when their argument holds no true grounds.

You call it connecting the dots, I call it paranoia. Your conspiracy theories are entertaining(Is that Bettmen on a grassy knoll?)

Brooks in todat's POST:

WASHINGTON - The CBA almost certainly will have to be amended in order for the RangersNew York Rangers to be awarded the compensatory pick they are seeking for the loss of Alexei Cherepanov.

As written, Article 8.3 (b), leaves no doubt that compensatory picks are meant as protection for teams whose unsigned first-round selections are eligible to either go back into the draft or become free agents.

Without being maudlin, it must be pointed out that before collapsing on his Omsk team bench during an Oct. 13 KHL game and passing away later that day, Cherepanov was listed as a "defected player" on NHL roster status reports. Arbitrator Richard Bloch upheld the NHL's implementation of "defected player" status this week.

Thus, regardless of the circumstance, an unsigned Cherepanov's rights would have belonged to the Rangers beyond this season and into the foreseeable future. He would not have been eligible to re-enter the draft or to become a free agent.

The Rangers aren't going to be able to argue the law here.

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As written, Article 8.3 (b), leaves no doubt that compensatory picks are meant as protection for teams whose unsigned first-round selections are eligible to either go back into the draft or become free agents.

Without being maudlin, it must be pointed out that before collapsing on his Omsk team bench during an Oct. 13 KHL game and passing away later that day, Cherepanov was listed as a "defected player" on NHL roster status reports. Arbitrator Richard Bloch upheld the NHL's implementation of "defected player" status this week.

Thus, regardless of the circumstance, an unsigned Cherepanov's rights would have belonged to the Rangers beyond this season and into the foreseeable future. He would not have been eligible to re-enter the draft or to become a free agent.

The Rangers aren't going to be able to argue the law here.

Ok, this would seem to clear this situation. NOW, when do the "conspriracy" accusations begin? Who will be the first to accuseBettman and Co, of sc-rewing the Rags on this one????

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Originally posted by Lucky:

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Originally posted by rangermaniac90:

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Originally posted by fanaticRANGER:
....if only the books I have to read in school were as exciting as this havoc, maybe then I wouldnt fall asleep in class

I feel the same way in my Business class which is awfully boring. The teacher is nice but his method of teaching makes you go to sleep

At your service! I would be pleased to be partly responsible for keeping you awake in class. Now go out and "ace" that business(Marketing?Management?) class.

Management

I can understand boredom setting in with this course. Minoring in sociology back in the cave man era,I found Marketing alot more stimulating.

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Originally posted by Lucky:

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Originally posted by fanaticRANGER:
Its hard to believe that Im STILL reading every post in this ongoing battle with you two, and now Lucky is involved as well....if only the books I have to read in school were as exciting as this havoc, maybe then I wouldnt fall asleep in class

Here is a remedy for you young man(Woman??). Take one tablespoon of "Lucky" and "Red" each morning and you will be as sharp as a tack for the entire day without side effects. I would discuss the possibility of adding a teaspoon of 4kdykstranailit to your regimen with your physician first. It is very potent and will certainly keep you awake,but is also known to cause delusion, hallucination and paranoia.

Yes Im a young women, and thanks for the prescription haha, I know all about the adverse consequences of 4Dykstra since I am a dedicated fan of his, he helped me with my accounting homework