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With the edition of jokinen and prust, The way i see it there are a few obvious moves that could/will be made.

1)Secured Spots : Gabby,prospal,jokinen,dubi,cally,drury,avery,anisimov,lisin,boyle and prust.

This leaves ,brashear,voros,and christensen to battle for the last 1 spot on the roster.


2)Prust is not a heavyweight by any means but he has taken on some big boys and isin't afraid to challenge ANYONE, He is the perfect replacement for brashear physically and financially(500k salary)(that and the 1.6million reasons i have to get rid of brashear) who i'm guessing will be moved for MAYBE a 3rd or hell even a conditional pick by the deadline.

3) That leaves voros and chrsitensen.Now while christensen is more talented than voros, it seems voros is the guy that everyone loves in the locker room.Pad that with the fact that Christ is a UFA and voros is still signed for another year(or 2?) you have christensen going out the door[Its unfortunate too you gotta feel bad for the guy but the extra forwards on the team is getting ridiculous]

4)Assuming sather dosen't pull another rabbit outta his cigar smoking behind,the roster is pretty much set from there until july.Where it's POSSIBLE that sather dosen't resign jokinen and tries to deal rozsival for a chance to grab kovalchuk off the free market(assuming he hasen't extended his contract during the season).If kovalchuk isin't avaliable i can see sather throwing money at guys like marleau,Whitney or maybe even hejduk.Along with trying to aquire a suitable defenseman to take rozsival's spot.Also prospal is of course re-signed.


NOW FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE POST I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS IS A PIPE DREAM AND HAS A SNOW***** CHANCE IN HELL OF HAPPENING.This thread is all about POSSIBILITIES.


Roster for 2010~
Cally-Prospal-Gaborik
Kovalchuk-Dubi-Drury
Avery-Anisimov-Lisin
Voros-Boyle-Prust

Volchenkov-Staal
MDZ-Girardi
Redden-Gilroy

Lundqvist
Johnson
 
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Originally posted by IceColdWade:
With the edition of jokinen and prust, The way i see it there are a few obvious moves that could/will be made.

1)Secured Spots : Gabby,prospal,jokinen,dubi,cally,drury,avery,anisimov,lisin,boyle and prust.

This leaves ,brashear,voros,and christensen to battle for the last 1 spot on the roster.


2)Prust is not a heavyweight by any means but he has taken on some big boys and isin't afraid to challenge ANYONE, He is the perfect replacement for brashear physically and financially(500k salary)(that and the 1.6million reasons i have to get rid of brashear) who i'm guessing will be moved for MAYBE a 3rd or hell even a conditional pick by the deadline.

3) That leaves voros and chrsitensen.Now while christensen is more talented than voros, it seems voros is the guy that everyone loves in the locker room.Pad that with the fact that Christ is a UFA and voros is still signed for another year(or 2?) you have christensen going out the door[Its unfortunate too you gotta feel bad for the guy but the extra forwards on the team is getting ridiculous]

4)Assuming sather dosen't pull another rabbit outta his cigar smoking behind,the roster is pretty much set from there until july.Where it's POSSIBLE that sather dosen't resign jokinen and tries to deal rozsival for a chance to grab kovalchuk off the free market(assuming he hasen't extended his contract during the season).If kovalchuk isin't avaliable i can see sather throwing money at guys like marleau,Whitney or maybe even hejduk.Along with trying to aquire a suitable defenseman to take rozsival's spot.Also prospal is of course re-signed.


NOW FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE POST I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS IS A PIPE DREAM AND HAS A SNOW***** CHANCE IN HELL OF HAPPENING.This thread is all about POSSIBILITIES.


Roster for 2010~
Cally-Prospal-Gaborik
Kovalchuk-Dubi-Drury
Avery-Anisimov-Lisin
Voros-Boyle-Prust

Volchenkov-Staal
MDZ-Girardi
Redden-Gilroy

Lundqvist
Johnson


I can see girardi and rosvial both gone next year and maybe redden bought out on the defence I can also see dubi and callahan gone because next year is there final year on there contracts dubbi more so than callahan because of his hold out this year I can see another team going after stall signing a offer sheet right now we have $416,853 in cap space for the rest of the year
 
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If Jokinen is half decent, Prospal is getting moved at the deadline, hopefully for a defenseman. Prospal is worth 4 times what he's beying paid now. There's no way he's re-signed here.

There IS NO WAY Volchenkov AND Kovalchuk are on the roster along with Redden and Prospal. Even adding Volchenkov does nothing to help with a big heavy hitting defenseman. I'd actually rather bring Paul Mara back at less than half Volchenkov's cost.

If Prust is decent, Voros is gone. They may re-sign Christensen for cheap. If they need toughness, Strudwick is available for $700k.
 
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Anyone think that Jokinen could be good trade bait to a cup contender and rid us of one of our overpaid guys? That'd be an even better move by Sather.
 
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Anyone think that Jokinen could be good trade bait to a cup contender and rid us of one of our overpaid guys? That'd be an even better move by Sather.


you know I could see him being part of a trade to get Kovalchuk
 
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Originally posted by d3xd3x:
Anyone think that Jokinen could be good trade bait to a cup contender and rid us of one of our overpaid guys? That'd be an even better move by Sather.


you know I could see him being part of a trade to get Kovalchuk


i can definitly see Jokinen being moved especially if Sather does not plan on Re-signing him.
 
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by IceColdWade:


3) That leaves voros and chrsitensen.Now while christensen is more talented than voros, it seems voros is the guy that everyone loves in the locker room.Pad that with the fact that Christ is a UFA and voros is still signed for another year(or 2?) you have christensen going out the door[Its unfortunate too you gotta feel bad for the guy but the extra forwards on the team is getting ridiculous]


I think your off base when it comes to Eric. He has been one of our steadier forwards and does a much better job playing with gabby then most of the others who have played with him. Lisin in my opinion will be used sparingly again.
 
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I see Brashear being bought out at some point, maybe after the next Philly game. I think it's pretty well established Huggy Bear is done.
 
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3) That leaves voros and chrsitensen.Now while christensen is more talented than voros, it seems voros is the guy that everyone loves in the locker room.Pad that with the fact that Christ is a UFA and voros is still signed for another year(or 2?) you have christensen going out the door[Its unfortunate too you gotta feel bad for the guy but the extra forwards on the team is getting ridiculous]


I think your off base when it comes to Eric. He has been one of our steadier forwards and does a much better job playing with gabby then most of the others who have played with him. Lisin in my opinion will be used sparingly again.


i agree christiansen has some size and has played pretty well. Lisin has been better of late i think that foot injury held him back a little. Im sure that there will be a good amount of tweaking and if we get on any type of roll i would expect torts to go with the same line up until we get into another funk.
 
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I see Brashear being bought out at some point, maybe after the next Philly game. I think it's pretty well established Huggy Bear is done.


i hope so. if brashear is bought out how does that effect the cap?
 
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Originally posted by IceColdWade:
With the edition of jokinen and prust, The way i see it there are a few obvious moves that could/will be made.

1)Secured Spots : Gabby,prospal,jokinen,dubi,cally,drury,avery,anisimov,lisin,boyle and prust.

This leaves ,brashear,voros,and christensen to battle for the last 1 spot on the roster.


2)Prust is not a heavyweight by any means but he has taken on some big boys and isin't afraid to challenge ANYONE, He is the perfect replacement for brashear physically and financially(500k salary)(that and the 1.6million reasons i have to get rid of brashear) who i'm guessing will be moved for MAYBE a 3rd or hell even a conditional pick by the deadline.

3) That leaves voros and chrsitensen.Now while christensen is more talented than voros, it seems voros is the guy that everyone loves in the locker room.Pad that with the fact that Christ is a UFA and voros is still signed for another year(or 2?) you have christensen going out the door[Its unfortunate too you gotta feel bad for the guy but the extra forwards on the team is getting ridiculous]

4)Assuming sather dosen't pull another rabbit outta his cigar smoking behind,the roster is pretty much set from there until july.Where it's POSSIBLE that sather dosen't resign jokinen and tries to deal rozsival for a chance to grab kovalchuk off the free market(assuming he hasen't extended his contract during the season).If kovalchuk isin't avaliable i can see sather throwing money at guys like marleau,Whitney or maybe even hejduk.Along with trying to aquire a suitable defenseman to take rozsival's spot.Also prospal is of course re-signed.


NOW FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE POST I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS IS A PIPE DREAM AND HAS A SNOW***** CHANCE IN HELL OF HAPPENING.This thread is all about POSSIBILITIES.


Roster for 2010~
Cally-Prospal-Gaborik
Kovalchuk-Dubi-Drury
Avery-Anisimov-Lisin
Voros-Boyle-Prust

Volchenkov-Staal
MDZ-Girardi
Redden-Gilroy

Lundqvist
Johnson




Okay, no digs. Lets just say I'll give you another chance to get it right.
 
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If Jokinen is half decent, Prospal is getting moved at the deadline, hopefully for a defenseman. Prospal is worth 4 times what he's beying paid now. There's no way he's re-signed here.

There IS NO WAY Volchenkov AND Kovalchuk are on the roster along with Redden and Prospal. Even adding Volchenkov does nothing to help with a big heavy hitting defenseman. I'd actually rather bring Paul Mara back at less than half Volchenkov's cost.

If Prust is decent, Voros is gone. They may re-sign Christensen for cheap. If they need toughness, Strudwick is available for $700k.


First of all,there's no way prospal is getting dealt at the deadline.He's the one guy that actually knows what the **** to do out there with gaborik.

Second of all, Jokinens value is almost non-existant at this point and theres ZERO chance that he gets moved to a "cup contender" much less a bottom feeder along with a bad contract.

and finally.There's no chance of getting volchenkov and kovalchuk? Yeah thats what people said about getting rid of gomez and thats what people said about anyone wanting that bum kotalik's contract.People keep saying its impossible and they get proved on.

That and i made it amazingly clear that that it is just a pipe dream roster and i don't EXPECT it to happen.


Yeah....i don't need a second chance.
 
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If Jokinen is half decent, Prospal is getting moved at the deadline, hopefully for a defenseman. Prospal is worth 4 times what he's beying paid now. There's no way he's re-signed here.

There IS NO WAY Volchenkov AND Kovalchuk are on the roster along with Redden and Prospal. Even adding Volchenkov does nothing to help with a big heavy hitting defenseman. I'd actually rather bring Paul Mara back at less than half Volchenkov's cost.

If Prust is decent, Voros is gone. They may re-sign Christensen for cheap. If they need toughness, Strudwick is available for $700k.


First of all,there's no way prospal is getting dealt at the deadline.He's the one guy that actually knows what the **** to do out there with gaborik.

Second of all, Jokinens value is almost non-existant at this point and theres ZERO chance that he gets moved to a "cup contender" much less a bottom feeder along with a bad contract.

and finally.There's no chance of getting volchenkov and kovalchuk? Yeah thats what people said about getting rid of gomez and thats what people said about anyone wanting that bum kotalik's contract.People keep saying its impossible and they get proved on.

That and i made it amazingly clear that that it is just a pipe dream roster and i don't EXPECT it to happen.


Yeah....i don't need a second chance.


IceCold, in order to have both Kovalchuk and Volchenkov on the roster, it would require somewhere in the neighborhood of $16m in salary. To keep Prospal, that's another $4m.

To do this, Redden and Roszival have to be gone. Not waived, gone, off the books completely, and you're still looking at freeing up another $10m.

In that scenario, Jokinen's savings aren't even realized, because you're paying Prospal with the difference.

You're right about one thing - Jokinen may be moved. My reasoning for moving Prospal instead -- the guy has more value, and supposedly isn't the head case Jokinen is. Jokinen won't be retained anyway, unless he posts Gretzky like numbers.

I'd much rather trade Prospal for a defenseman, and, save the money on Jokinen. Then, waiving Redden is not an issue, and THEN, there's enough cap room for Kovalchuk.

You also have to figure Grachev or others will make the 2010-11 roster.
 
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well just a hunch but i think Doobie is on his way out...gilroy or girardi too that is sathers trade bait..i hate to see it happen..but i just dont trust sather...
 
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If Jokinen is half decent, Prospal is getting moved at the deadline, hopefully for a defenseman. Prospal is worth 4 times what he's beying paid now. There's no way he's re-signed here.

There IS NO WAY Volchenkov AND Kovalchuk are on the roster along with Redden and Prospal. Even adding Volchenkov does nothing to help with a big heavy hitting defenseman. I'd actually rather bring Paul Mara back at less than half Volchenkov's cost.

If Prust is decent, Voros is gone. They may re-sign Christensen for cheap. If they need toughness, Strudwick is available for $700k.


First of all,there's no way prospal is getting dealt at the deadline.He's the one guy that actually knows what the **** to do out there with gaborik.

Second of all, Jokinens value is almost non-existant at this point and theres ZERO chance that he gets moved to a "cup contender" much less a bottom feeder along with a bad contract.

and finally.There's no chance of getting volchenkov and kovalchuk? Yeah thats what people said about getting rid of gomez and thats what people said about anyone wanting that bum kotalik's contract.People keep saying its impossible and they get proved on.

That and i made it amazingly clear that that it is just a pipe dream roster and i don't EXPECT it to happen.


Yeah....i don't need a second chance.


IceCold, in order to have both Kovalchuk and Volchenkov on the roster, it would require somewhere in the neighborhood of $16m in salary. To keep Prospal, that's another $4m.

To do this, Redden and Roszival have to be gone. Not waived, gone, off the books completely, and you're still looking at freeing up another $10m.

In that scenario, Jokinen's savings aren't even realized, because you're paying Prospal with the difference.

You're right about one thing - Jokinen may be moved. My reasoning for moving Prospal instead -- the guy has more value, and supposedly isn't the head case Jokinen is. Jokinen won't be retained anyway, unless he posts Gretzky like numbers.

I'd much rather trade Prospal for a defenseman, and, save the money on Jokinen. Then, waiving Redden is not an issue, and THEN, there's enough cap room for Kovalchuk.

You also have to figure Grachev or others will make the 2010-11 roster.


First of all.16 million for kovy and volchenkov? seriously?

Second, I never said WAIVE redden or rozsival.I said rozsival gets dealt(which is VERY possible) and redden CAN get buried in hartford but thats not what i was thinking.With rozsival gone and jokinen not re-signed that saves 11+ mill in cap space.Now add that + dumping brashear/voros thats what 2.6mill?

If that were to all happen ( and im not saying it can/is ) than the situation is very possible.

and where did you get prospal being re-signed for that high? He's still getting paid by tampa and nobody forced him to sign here for 1mill.He did it on his own free will and if he intends to stay here he'll do it again.
 
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