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Originally posted by IHATETHEISLES:
well just a hunch but i think Doobie is on his way out...gilroy or girardi too that is sathers trade bait..i hate to see it happen..but i just dont trust sather...

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Originally posted by IceColdWade:

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Originally posted by IHATETHEISLES:
well just a hunch but i think Doobie is on his way out...gilroy or girardi too that is sathers trade bait..i hate to see it happen..but i just dont trust sather...

I would not mind losing gilroy.Thats a good 2.5mill right there for a "late bloomer" rookie.

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Originally posted by IceColdWade:

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Originally posted by NCRanger:

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Originally posted by IceColdWade:

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Originally posted by NCRanger:
If Jokinen is half decent, Prospal is getting moved at the deadline, hopefully for a defenseman. Prospal is worth 4 times what he's beying paid now. There's no way he's re-signed here.

There IS NO WAY Volchenkov AND Kovalchuk are on the roster along with Redden and Prospal. Even adding Volchenkov does nothing to help with a big heavy hitting defenseman. I'd actually rather bring Paul Mara back at less than half Volchenkov's cost.

If Prust is decent, Voros is gone. They may re-sign Christensen for cheap. If they need toughness, Strudwick is available for $700k.

First of all,there's no way prospal is getting dealt at the deadline.He's the one guy that actually knows what the **** to do out there with gaborik.

Second of all, Jokinens value is almost non-existant at this point and theres ZERO chance that he gets moved to a "cup contender" much less a bottom feeder along with a bad contract.

and finally.There's no chance of getting volchenkov and kovalchuk? Yeah thats what people said about getting rid of gomez and thats what people said about anyone wanting that bum kotalik's contract.People keep saying its impossible and they get proved on.

That and i made it amazingly clear that that it is just a pipe dream roster and i don't EXPECT it to happen.


Yeah....i don't need a second chance.

IceCold, in order to have both Kovalchuk and Volchenkov on the roster, it would require somewhere in the neighborhood of $16m in salary. To keep Prospal, that's another $4m.

To do this, Redden and Roszival have to be gone. Not waived, gone, off the books completely, and you're still looking at freeing up another $10m.

In that scenario, Jokinen's savings aren't even realized, because you're paying Prospal with the difference.

You're right about one thing - Jokinen may be moved. My reasoning for moving Prospal instead -- the guy has more value, and supposedly isn't the head case Jokinen is. Jokinen won't be retained anyway, unless he posts Gretzky like numbers.

I'd much rather trade Prospal for a defenseman, and, save the money on Jokinen. Then, waiving Redden is not an issue, and THEN, there's enough cap room for Kovalchuk.

You also have to figure Grachev or others will make the 2010-11 roster.

First of all.16 million for kovy and volchenkov? seriously?

Second, I never said WAIVE redden or rozsival.I said rozsival gets dealt(which is VERY possible) and redden CAN get buried in hartford but thats not what i was thinking.With rozsival gone and jokinen not re-signed that saves 11+ mill in cap space.Now add that + dumping brashear/voros thats what 2.6mill?

If that were to all happen ( and im not saying it can/is ) than the situation is very possible.

and where did you get prospal being re-signed for that high? He's still getting paid by tampa and nobody forced him to sign here for 1mill.He did it on his own free will and if he intends to stay here he'll do it again.

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Originally posted by kc1313:

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Originally posted by IceColdWade:

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Originally posted by NCRanger:

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Originally posted by IceColdWade:

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Originally posted by NCRanger:
If Jokinen is half decent, Prospal is getting moved at the deadline, hopefully for a defenseman. Prospal is worth 4 times what he's beying paid now. There's no way he's re-signed here.

There IS NO WAY Volchenkov AND Kovalchuk are on the roster along with Redden and Prospal. Even adding Volchenkov does nothing to help with a big heavy hitting defenseman. I'd actually rather bring Paul Mara back at less than half Volchenkov's cost.

If Prust is decent, Voros is gone. They may re-sign Christensen for cheap. If they need toughness, Strudwick is available for $700k.

First of all,there's no way prospal is getting dealt at the deadline.He's the one guy that actually knows what the **** to do out there with gaborik.

Second of all, Jokinens value is almost non-existant at this point and theres ZERO chance that he gets moved to a "cup contender" much less a bottom feeder along with a bad contract.

and finally.There's no chance of getting volchenkov and kovalchuk? Yeah thats what people said about getting rid of gomez and thats what people said about anyone wanting that bum kotalik's contract.People keep saying its impossible and they get proved on.

That and i made it amazingly clear that that it is just a pipe dream roster and i don't EXPECT it to happen.


Yeah....i don't need a second chance.

IceCold, in order to have both Kovalchuk and Volchenkov on the roster, it would require somewhere in the neighborhood of $16m in salary. To keep Prospal, that's another $4m.

To do this, Redden and Roszival have to be gone. Not waived, gone, off the books completely, and you're still looking at freeing up another $10m.

In that scenario, Jokinen's savings aren't even realized, because you're paying Prospal with the difference.

You're right about one thing - Jokinen may be moved. My reasoning for moving Prospal instead -- the guy has more value, and supposedly isn't the head case Jokinen is. Jokinen won't be retained anyway, unless he posts Gretzky like numbers.

I'd much rather trade Prospal for a defenseman, and, save the money on Jokinen. Then, waiving Redden is not an issue, and THEN, there's enough cap room for Kovalchuk.

You also have to figure Grachev or others will make the 2010-11 roster.

First of all.16 million for kovy and volchenkov? seriously?

Second, I never said WAIVE redden or rozsival.I said rozsival gets dealt(which is VERY possible) and redden CAN get buried in hartford but thats not what i was thinking.With rozsival gone and jokinen not re-signed that saves 11+ mill in cap space.Now add that + dumping brashear/voros thats what 2.6mill?

If that were to all happen ( and im not saying it can/is ) than the situation is very possible.

and where did you get prospal being re-signed for that high? He's still getting paid by tampa and nobody forced him to sign here for 1mill.He did it on his own free will and if he intends to stay here he'll do it again.

Wow, possibly the most erroneous post I've seen in a while. Prospal will resign for close to the same?? Yeah, out oif the kindness of his heart.

16 mill for Kovy and Volchenckov, seriously? Yeah, pretty down close.

Rozy getting dealt is VERY possible? What planet are you living on?

BTW, Rozy at 5mil and OJ at 5.5 doesn't save 11+.

Dumping Brashear is a tall task as well.

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Originally posted by kc1313:
dimwade, even if you were conservative with your possible lineup, Prospal at 2 mil, Kovy at 8 and Volchenkov at five, you're still way over the cap. Not to mention, it's pretty much the same pathetic team we see now. The centers are all the same. Get a clue!!

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Originally posted by RANGERDUDE:
We should then move Drury to a D spot. He is not bad on D. Ok fire when ready,

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Originally posted by RANGERDUDE:
This is a bit off the wall, but how about we buy out Redden. He is making more then Rozy, correct? We should then move Drury to a D spot. He is not bad on D. Ok fire when ready,

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Originally posted by messaround:

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Originally posted by RANGERDUDE:
We should then move Drury to a D spot. He is not bad on D. Ok fire when ready,

You mean D-bench?

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Originally posted by PG67:

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Originally posted by RANGERDUDE:
This is a bit off the wall, but how about we buy out Redden. He is making more then Rozy, correct? We should then move Drury to a D spot. He is not bad on D. Ok fire when ready,

Drury is non-aggressive, small and a non-effective hitter.
He'd make the D far worse, not better.

Off the wall? Indeed.

JMO.

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Originally posted by kc1313:
dimwade, even if you were conservative with your possible lineup, Prospal at 2 mil, Kovy at 8 and Volchenkov at five, you're still way over the cap. Not to mention, it's pretty much the same pathetic team we see now. The centers are all the same. Get a clue!!