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Minor Leagues |
Seriously folks, this team is going to get pummeled into the ice every night. There's no way the skilled players are going to be able able to do their thing. There was Aaron Asham, Josh Gratton, Mike Commodore, Jarkko Ruttu, Avery, Jason Smith, even Georges Laraque or Darcy Hordichuk available..but who do we get-a fourth line banger who doesn't intimidate anyone (Voros), a 6'4" 230lb. winger who doesn't fight (Rismiller), and an arguably soft offensive defenseman. Boy this team will be easy to play against. Does anyone else agree with me??
Instead of "Sweet Caroline" the should play the Mr. Softee theme. Feel free to tell me if I'm being too harsh, as I value the opinions of the fans on this board. |
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Major Leagues |
naw. not sure i agree. i wil lsay this about the D tho. we arent gonna scare anyone near our crease thats for sure. arguably our best hitter at D is gone- toots. and we have guys who have size like mara and kalinin who play kinda soft. i guess girardi and staal gotta find a mean streak somewhere casue rozys a cupcake and redden has never been very physical. however, this years team has IMPROVED dramatically already with the addition of voros and rismiller. both a big and both can play an effective 4th line game. orr will still play. no doubt. he punch faces all season. he just wont dress every night. expect voros to be the guy who bangs night in night out. hell be our physical presence who will smash into the other teams best players. he will be this years hollweg with talent and hopefully fewer majors. when we go up against a team trying to intimidate us, look for the 4th line to be orr voros and betts. that should be an effective deterant. we have a fighter. orr. we have a banger. voros. if byers has a strong camp, he can handle himself with the rough stuff too. your top 6 guys are skill guys. thats normal. our 3rd line may be korpedo dubi and cally that seems like a gritty in your face speedy line. our 4th line will have fists-orr, some hollweg/avery type grit- voros and betts. with rismiller, byers and freddie as well depending on the given opponent. |
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Spectator |
Soft, Softer and the softest team in the league... The Flyers must be licking their chops. Let's start the injury count now... I'm still sore they didn't sign Orpik.. How was Rosi a better addition than him? I'll never know.. Whos' going into the corners to get pucks??? Every D man in the east is looking towards playing us...Ugly....
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All Star |
Paulzzy, although I do think the team has improved on paper, offensively - it does stick in my mind also that Sather and Renney have put together another soft team.
Yes, I too, looked at all those names signed to OTHER teams and I asked myself, "OK. What is Sather thinking? We need some toughness on this team, too!" What I think is very important, but what I think Sather/Renney actually shy away from in general is acquiring players who are naturally tough, love to hit hard and enjoy playing the game this way. If they don't get players like that, then this whole season will be about trying to get them to be more tough. It's like pulling teeth. I hope that's not the case. I really do. They need to get guys where that's their game! For example: Pronger's coach doesn't have to try to get him to be mean and hit. It's already in him. Avery's coach doesn't have to try to get him to stir things up on the ice. It's already in him. Tomas Holmstrom doesn't need to be told every night to stay in front of the net and stir things up. That's his game. Brendan Witt doesn't need to be told to find his mean streak and to hit like he means it. It's there. It's in him. Do the Rangers have anyone to be afraid of when the game gets intense and very physical? Once again, when Orr is scratched or in the box, will Voros be the only guy to HIT? When the Flyers big wingers are coming into the offensive zone...who will they be scared of, going into the corners? NOBODY. The Rangers have acquired some really good players so far - but to me, this is going to be a real issue if things don't change in this department. Once again, it's still early. More changes will come, I'm sure. It's not time to jump to conclusions just yet. I for one hope that Sather/Renney are smart enough to actively address this issue. This message has been edited. Last edited by: PG67, |
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All Star |
I don't think Renney/Sather like guys who can hit and play tough. They must be allergic to those types of players. Hopefully the new additions of Rissmiller and Voros can change that.
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Bystander |
this seems to be the "problem of the offseason": the rangers aren't tough enough going into 08-09. but, really, who did they lose that was so tough? avery. that's it. jagr, straka, shanahan, malik, tutin, etc. didn't do anything to warrant being known as tough guys. tutin hit well--especially after kasparitis taught him the hip-check--but i don't consider him a tough, physically intimidating defenseman.
so, we lost zero toughness other than avery and sather added some big guys and bangers (voros, rissmiller, kalinin, even sjostrom going back to last year, and maybe byers if he's ready). add in another year of growth and develompent for staal, the still-present orr, and the resigning of mara (who isn't nearly as soft as people accuse him of being), and i think the toughness element is fine. a name being overlooked or dismissed is that of andreas jamtin. he's got size, he's tough, he loves the physical part of the game, and he can play. don't get me wrong: i would have liked for sather to keep avery or replace him with a guy like rutuu, but there's a salary cap. and the need for a powerplay quarterback like redden is much greater, especially considering the direction the league is going. also, the playoffs is when you need to add a gritty tough guy or two and some size (remember matteau and noonan??). sather can do that at the trade deadline. |
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All Star |
Gretzky's no idiot. He's still a new coach with a very young team in Phoenix but he's still a great hockey MIND, right?
He's had Daniel Carcillo on his team and he's been a good tough player for them. Shane Doan brings it every night, too. BUT.... they also just acquired UFAs Todd Fedoruk + Brian McGratton! Wayne Gretzky knows the value of these guys. He does NOT underestimate their importance to the roster. Thus far, it seems that Sather/Renney HAVE. This message has been edited. Last edited by: PG67, |
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All Star |
Good points. Perhaps those guys will bring more of a physical presence then we think. I know we didn't LOSE that much toughness, other than Sean - but have we really GAINED alot? We'll see. |
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Bystander |
we certainly will have to wait. the jury will be out on rissmiller and voros (and even fritsche, who i think will surprise) until the season gets started.
gretzky has always understood the importance of toughness--particularly to protect the skill guys. there's a reason he loved marty mcsorley so much (in edmonton and LA). still, in today's NHL, more than 2 guys who contribue nothing but tougness isn't a smart idea. the rangers have orr, and he can throw them with anybody. add in a few big, skilled, and tough-enough players, and i think we're ok. also, our skill guys can take care of themselves. gomez and drury don't shy away from the physical stuff, neither does naslund. zherdev is a big boy, and callahan, prucha, dawes, and dubinsky mix it up too--even with some size limitations. |
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All Star |
Yes, overall, we have the potential to be much tougher than last season. |
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Major Leagues |
This team appears to be the softest team yet, but the smurfs in the 80s were soft and won with Herbie, just no cups. Unless a miracle happens this year....no cup for the Rangers....again.
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Minor Leagues |
Oh give me a break. The day of the goons is over. Now a team is lucky to have one guy that can fight. You have to bring more to the game then just fight.
I rather take a fast, scrappy, feisty team then one that is considered "rough". Teams will underestimate us. I rather have that than a team "fearing us". The more of those "goonish" type players you have the more power plays the other team will have. It's as simple as that. We don't have a superstar that needs babying like Jagr. We have stars like Dru and Gomez who don't take **** from anyone and won't back down. If you really want to be tough, you better hope Byers and Jessiman have amazing camps to go along with Voros and Rismiller. You don't have to be tough in order to win games. Does Detroit have anyone that scares you? Maybe kronwall, but hes 6 foot nothing and just throws his body around like Kaspiritis. Pitt tried playing the physical game against Detroit and it didn't work. |
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Sports Fan |
Im not disappointed with having no fighting goons, its the lack of physical presence on defense. Yeah its all good that we're a young speedy scoring team but you got to put fear into the opponents and that starts at the blueline. We made virtually no improvement with getting tough on D and the other players are just gonna walk in and take shots unharmed
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Major Leagues |
not sure rismiller is all that much of a tough guy. he plays a decent defensive game tho and has good offensive skills for a big man. he and voros are head and shoulders better than hollweg and orr. orr still has a spot but it will be greatly reduced on this seasons squad. i happen to agree with you that toughness and goons are quite opposite and the need for no talent goons is over. a guys gotta be tough and skilled to play today. and if teams take liberties with us and look at us a "soft", so be it. that will work to our advantage if we take advantage of our man up chances. with a new productive and efficient powerplay and our consistently good pk, we should be able to beat teams who look to outphysical us instead of outplay us. |
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Rookie |
Sather thinks its 1980..He keeps going with these finesse players..I hate to say avery go, We need some grit for crying out loud this team is mr softee So i will have a Soad FLoat
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