Listen to the show. Mike D'Antoni is the second guest. Check out what D'Antoni says about which free agent he wants to keep. He says he knows, but he's not telling.

I won't say who it is, but it's pretty obvious who he doesn't want. He even lets out a freudian slip.

Listen for yourself.

http://query-origin.andohs.net...tierney/bt090626.mp3

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without even listening to the clip,im betting he wants to keep Nate over Lee.i would too.if Milicic can resurect his career,and Hill turns out to be the real deal,the Knicks wont even need Lee anymore.those 2 players combined can go over his average points and rebounds per game,quite easily.

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without even listening to the clip,im betting he wants to keep Nate over Lee.i would too.if Milicic can resurect his career,and Hill turns out to be the real deal,the Knicks wont even need Lee anymore.those 2 players combined can go over his average points and rebounds per game,quite easily.

Correctomundo!

I would keep Nate too. Wouldn't you think Hill can do what Lee does offensively? But Hill blocks shots! YES!

douglas is 10x's better than nate.

douglas led the ACC is scoring and was the defensive player of the year ... all nate ever was is a sideshow.

he's also gonna break down when he's 28-30 because all the stress he puts on his legs will catch up on him as he gets older.

so douglas better score 25 PPG to be 10x's better then Nate

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douglas is 10x's better than nate.

douglas led the ACC is scoring and was the defensive player of the year ... all nate ever was is a sideshow.

he's also gonna break down when he's 28-30 because all the stress he puts on his legs will catch up on him as he gets older.

you really know nothing do you?

Nate has had success in THE NBA. Why don't you wait at least till he plays a game before you anoint him as the second coming. By the way, how many of Douglas' games have you watched?

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douglas is 10x's better than nate.

douglas led the ACC is scoring and was the defensive player of the year ... all nate ever was is a sideshow.

he's also gonna break down when he's 28-30 because all the stress he puts on his legs will catch up on him as he gets older.

WHAT??? Are you joking?

Toney Douglas hasn’t played one game in the NBA, and you think he is better? Stay off the drugs.

Just because he was a good defender (ACC Defensive Player of the year) in college, it doesn’t mean his game will translate to the NBA. I know one thing, if he gambles on defense or gets beaten off the dribble with the Knicks, he will not have the shot-blockers behind him to correct his mistakes like he had in college. I DIGRESS. We have Jordan Hill and Darko Milicic now. Jim-Dandy!

Nate has already proven he can play at a very high level in the NBA on both ends of the court. Defense is about effort—No one on this team personify Energy, Hustle, Speed-Quickness, and Hard work more than Nate--- sacrificing his body for every loose balls, rebounds—290 total RBG (+68 from L yr), and drawing offensive fouls.

This year he took on the challenge of his coach by becoming more aggressive on defense--- pressuring the ball --- forcing TOs—total 95 steals(+35 from last yr). Despite being undersized in every game, he still held his own on defense against the elite PGs in the league.

Where am I wrong?

Nate has already proven he can play at a very high level in the NBA on both ends of the court. Defense is about effort—No one on this team personify Energy, Hustle, Speed-Quickness, and Hard work more than Nate--- sacrificing his body for every loose balls, rebounds—290 total RBG (+68 from L yr), and drawing offensive fouls.

I dont know what N8 Robinson your talking about. But the one that plays for the knicks, plays TERRIBLE defense.

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This year he took on the challenge of his coach by becoming more aggressive on defense--- pressuring the ball --- forcing TOs—total 95 steals(+35 from last yr). Despite being undersized in every game, he still held his own on defense against the elite PGs in the league.

Just because you get a lot of steals doesn't mean you are a good defender. Allen Iverson and Larry Hughes were among the league leaders in steals for quite a while and I wouldn't call either of them a good defender. Usually, it means you are more willing to gamble in order to get that steal, so when you don't get the steal, your man has a clear path to the basket.

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This year he took on the challenge of his coach by becoming more aggressive on defense--- pressuring the ball --- forcing TOs—total 95 steals(+35 from last yr). Despite being undersized in every game, he still held his own on defense against the elite PGs in the league.

Just because you get a lot of steals doesn't mean you are a good defender. Allen Iverson and Larry Hughes were among the league leaders in steals for quite a while and I wouldn't call either of them a good defender. Usually, it means you are more willing to gamble in order to get that steal, so when you don't get the steal, your man has a clear path to the basket.

LOVE IS BLIND!!!

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Nate has already proven he can play at a very high level in the NBA on both ends of the court. Defense is about effort—No one on this team personify Energy, Hustle, Speed-Quickness, and Hard work more than Nate--- sacrificing his body for every loose balls, rebounds—290 total RBG (+68 from L yr), and drawing offensive fouls.

I dont know what N8 Robinson your talking about. But the one that plays for the knicks, plays TERRIBLE defense.

Hey SportsDoc,

I strongly disagree.

If hustle(hardwork/determination),great footwork ,aggressiveness, and anticipation are key defensive attributes, what area of his defense is terrible?

Please elaborate.

The forum is yours, My friend.

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Just because you get a lot of steals doesn't mean you are a good defender.

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Try telling that CRAP to these defensive players:

John Stockton- all-time steals leader
Michael Jordan, Alvin Robertson, Michael Ray Richardson (three time steals leader)
Gary “The Glove” Payton- 1995-96 steals leader
Chris Paul – 2008-09 steals leader

This is the list of the all-time leaders in steals. Link:
http://espn.go.com/nba/alltime/leaders?cat=steals

Here’s wikipedia’s definition of the word (steal). I've extracted this paragraph from the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_(basketball

Stealing the ball requires good anticipation, speed and fast reflexes, all common traits of a good defender. However, like blocked shots, steals aren't always a perfect gauge of a player's defensive abilities. An unsuccessful steal can result in the defender being out of position and unable to recover in time. Therefore, an attempted steal is a gamble. Steals can pay off greatly, because they often trigger a fastbreak for the defensive team.

During the regular season, Nate ranked 14 in steals (Guards) in both the Eastern/Western conference. Yes, attempting a steal is always a gamble, especially when the player doesn’t have a shot-blocker behind him to correct his mistakes, but it doesn’t take away from the Fact that STEALS ARE TRAITS OF A GOOD DEFENDER.

NEXT CASE!

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Nate has already proven he can play at a very high level in the NBA on both ends of the court. Defense is about effort—No one on this team personify Energy, Hustle, Speed-Quickness, and Hard work more than Nate--- sacrificing his body for every loose balls, rebounds—290 total RBG (+68 from L yr), and drawing offensive fouls.

I dont know what N8 Robinson your talking about. But the one that plays for the knicks, plays TERRIBLE defense.

Hey SportsDoc,

I strongly disagree.

If hustle(hardwork/determination),great footwork ,aggressiveness, and anticipation are key defensive attributes, what area of his defense is terrible?

Please elaborate.

The forum is yours, My friend.

He is a very weak on ball defender, he always goes under screens, his height makes him a easy post up candidate. He gets beat off the dribble very easily. At his height and with his athleticsm he should be a terror on D, but all he cares about is offense. What hustle and footwork are you talking about? Allen Iverson gets TONS of steals too, do you want his defense on your team?

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John Stockton- all-time steals leader

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What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Try telling that CRAP to these defensive players:

I don't think you understand what a good defender is. That makes sense, since I've come to the realization that you don't actually watch basketball, you just look at box scores all day.

You see, you can have a great defensive game and it may not show up in the box score. A guy like Bruce Bowen, for example, never averaged more than 1 steal per game during his time with the Spurs. He was never a league leader in steals. Yet he was considered an elite on the ball and help defender. You probably don't know this because either A) just look at box scores or B) when you watch basketball, you only watch the player who has the ball, so you don't understand concepts like help defense.

And again, I'll say it again, just because you get a lot of steals doesn't mean you are an elite defender. Jason Kidd was #3 in steals last year, yet he can't keep anyone in front of him. Allen Iverson was always among the league leaders in steals, yet he was a notoriously poor defender.

And stop with the Wikipedia citings...we all know what a steal is. Citing Wikipedia doesn't add any credence or power to your arguments. If you knew anything about real debate or research, you would know that Wikipedia is a horrible reference source.

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