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I've never seen Toney Douglas play, so I have no idea what kinda player he is, but I'll be the first to admit, I'm not a Stephen Curry fan.

I think he's average at best athletically, skinny, gives you nothing when the shot's not falling, is a poor defender, and really put up horrible shooting percentages vs. the elite schools, while padding his stats in a REALLY weak conference.

Toney Douglas on the other hand, is built like a tank, and is the fastest player in the draft. His 3/4 court sprint is the 6th fastest in NBA Combine history, he regularly lit up the best schools in the ACC, one of toughest conferences in the country, and to top it all off, he was the ACC's Defensive Player Of The Year.

Since I've never seen Douglas play, my question to you is, what's more impressive, Toney Douglas' 21.5 ppg on 44% shooting from the field, 81% FT, and 38% from three in the ACC, or Stephen Curry's 28.6 ppg on 45% shooting from the field, 87% FT, and 38% from three?


After a quick look at their schedules, you tell me who's numbers are more impressive.

Stephen Curry

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/...melog?playerId=32284

Stephen Curry faced some really weak teams. The only good teams I noticed were Oklahoma, NC State, West Virginia, Purdue, Duke, Butler, St. Mary's. Against just about alot of them he shot poor percentages.

Now check out the teams Douglas played against


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/...ofile?playerId=22111

Too many good teams to name them all, but he played UNC twice, Duke twice, NC State, Virginia, Wake Forest, etc., while probably guarding the other team's best guard on defense.

I don't know about you, but I think for what the Knicks need right now, 2 way players, Douglas may be a better fit.
 
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Ive seen Douglas play a couple games at the end of last year. He can play and is very clutch. I definetly like what I saw from him. Didnt know he was ACC defensive player of the year either, thats BIG in that confrence.
 
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That's VERY big.
 
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Saw him in person and I've got to say he impressed me more than Jeff Teague, Ty Lawson, Vasquez and Tyrese Rice. Like I said before, he is definitely not a point guard but is a quick combo guard who gets a lot of steals. Not necessarily a lock down defender but has the tools to become a pest on D.

Not to mention he hit the game winning shot against Virginia Tech.... ugh
 
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I wish I'd seen him play. I gotta say, the more I think about it, the more this seems like the better pick than Curry.

On a scale of 1-10, Curry's shooting is a 10, but his defense is a 4 or 5. This kid Douglas seems like his shooting is about a 9 and his defense is about a 8 or 9.

This Knicks team needs balance. We don't need another player only good at one thing. Jordan Hill, who I've seen almost every single game he's played the last 3 yrs, is a 2 way player.

This kid Douglas, seems like a 2 way player. Add them to Wilson Chandler, our only other 2 way player, and we have the makings of a team heading in the right direction.
 
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I agree we seem to be headed in the right direction, defintley looking forward to summer league. I would also like to add that, the Rubio situation needs to be wathced. I don't know anything, but I'm baffled by Minnesota's selections. Maybe we can get him...Wishful thinking? Yeah. But N8 and David wont be back, I see a sign and trade with at least one of them.
 
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I don't think Lee will be back. They drafted and traded for 2 guys that play his position last night. I don't think the Knicks are trading either one of them for Rubio.

First, they both have to AGREE to go to Minnesota. If they don't sign a contract, agreeing to go there, it'll never happen. Remember, it's a SIGN and trade. You can't trade them, if they don't agree to sign on to play for the T Wolves. I don't see Nate or Lee agreeing to go there, when all they have to do is wait 1 more year and they can go wherever they want.

Now, Wilson Chandler on the other hand is still on his rookie deal. Would the Knicks trade him straight up for Rubio? That's the question.

Is Ricky Rubio worth it? I don't know.
 
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stephen curry's splits vs bad teams/good teams

bad teams:

guilford: 9/20 | 29 points
james madison: 14/19 | 33 points
winthrop: 8/16 | 30 points
florida atlantic: 13/21 | 39 pointss
loyola: 0 for 3 | 0 points
nc state: 15/33 | 44 points
chattanooga: 11/22 | 41 points
samford: 7/14 | 21 points
citadel: 8/16 | 32 points
appalachian state: 7/13 | 16 points
elon: 11/18 | 30 points
georgia southern: 11/30 | 28 points
furman: 12/18 | 30 points
wofford: 10/17 | 33 points
chattanooga: 9/21 | 32 points
samford: 6/20 | 20 points
west carolina: 9/16 | 26 points
unc greensboro: 10/24 | 29 points
furman: 6/15 | 25 points
unc greensboro: 7/15 | 20 points
georgia southern: 11/19 | 34 points
elon: 8/16 | 26 points
appalachian state: 11/18 | 43 points

shooting % vs bad teams = .479

good teams:

oklahoma: 12/19 | 44 points
west virginia: 9/27 | 27 points
charleston: 11/25 | 29 points
duke: 10/22 | 29 points
charleston: 7/23 | 25 points
butler: 6/23 | 20 points
charleston: 5/18 | 20 points
south carolina: 9/19 | 32 points
st. mary's: 11/27 | 26 points

shooting % vs good teams = .394
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Originally posted by MetsFan5157:
stephen curry's splits vs bad teams/good teams

bad teams:

guilford: 9/20 | 29 points
james madison: 14/19 | 33 points
winthrop: 8/16 | 30 points
florida atlantic: 13/21 | 39 pointss
loyola: 0 for 3 | 0 points
nc state: 15/33 | 44 points
chattanooga: 11/22 | 41 points
samford: 7/14 | 21 points
citadel: 8/16 | 32 points
appalachian state: 7/13 | 16 points
elon: 11/18 | 30 points
georgia southern: 11/30 | 28 points
furman: 12/18 | 30 points
wofford: 10/17 | 33 points
chattanooga: 9/21 | 32 points
samford: 6/20 | 20 points
west carolina: 9/16 | 26 points
unc greensboro: 10/24 | 29 points
furman: 6/15 | 25 points
unc greensboro: 7/15 | 20 points
georgia southern: 11/19 | 34 points
elon: 8/16 | 26 points
appalachian state: 11/18 | 43 points

shooting % vs bad teams = .479

good teams:

oklahoma: 12/19 | 44 points
west virginia: 9/27 | 27 points
charleston: 11/25 | 29 points
duke: 10/22 | 29 points
charleston: 7/23 | 25 points
butler: 6/23 | 20 points
charleston: 5/18 | 20 points
south carolina: 9/19 | 32 points
st. mary's: 11/27 | 26 points

shooting % vs good teams = .394
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DAMN, EXCELLENT POST! Plus again, Douglas shot the ball almost as well, against better players AND he was the defensive player of the year. I can't wait to see this kid in this offense.

He could be a steal.
 
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Honestly I'm not a big S. Curry fan either. Yea he is a great great shooter but he is not the finest basketball player. He is useless on defense. He won't be able to drive the lane. He has bad shot selection.

Douglas isn't very good either. He's a little man with some toughness and can score the rock. He is a decent defender too. But he is borderline NBA talent.

I like the Hill pick.
 
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Liked what I saw on you tube coverage of toney douglas. one thing, never saw one pass. Limited coverage I know, but all you get to see is him shoot. It looks like he does that well, with a good variety of runners, plus a good step back. He will fit well in the offense, and to win defensive player of the year at 6'1 he must be quick in the passing lanes. I actually like Nate (maybe not some of his antics), but it looks like this is his replacement
 
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I've only seen Douglas once but he is a good
pick all experts say at that #29 spot

Plus he's better defender than being given credit in this post.

I think much is put on how these guys play vs
weak teams and in college. Same goes for Curry

You can either play or not.
College is college and not the pros. Not all
good or super superb college players ever sniff
success in college and some avg college players
have become very good pros careers in nba in recent decades.

Curry is knocked alot
I dont know about GS Warriors but I see Curry
making it big in NBA at some point.

Douglas doesnt have all that gala and has to prove himself in a role player way with less
expectations.

All in all I wont be surprised to see Curry or
Douglas make it in NBA. The whole nba is younger
and skilled. It dont translate into nba titles
yet but it is getting to be a young league.

Hill is hard worker and plays versatile game and he will get chance to prove himself on weak NY team

Curry would have been a great Knick story but
I like Hill and I am surprised NY Forumer or
the folks at the draft thrashed the Hill pick.
Shame on you knick fans thursday
Groucho
 
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Originally posted by djmusic:
I've only seen Douglas once but he is a good
pick all experts say at that #29 spot

Plus he's better defender than being given credit in this post.

I think much is put on how these guys play vs
weak teams and in college. Same goes for Curry

You can either play or not.
College is college and not the pros. Not all
good or super superb college players ever sniff
success in college and some avg college players
have become very good pros careers in nba in recent decades.

Curry is knocked alot
I dont know about GS Warriors but I see Curry
making it big in NBA at some point.

Douglas doesnt have all that gala and has to prove himself in a role player way with less
expectations.

All in all I wont be surprised to see Curry or
Douglas make it in NBA. The whole nba is younger
and skilled. It dont translate into nba titles
yet but it is getting to be a young league.

Hill is hard worker and plays versatile game and he will get chance to prove himself on weak NY team

Curry would have been a great Knick story but
I like Hill and I am surprised NY Forumer or
the folks at the draft thrashed the Hill pick.
Shame on you knick fans thursday
Groucho


You don't think a makes a difference that one guy dominated a weak conference and the other dominated one of the best in college basketball?

Level of competition means alot.

I wonder how good Toney Douglas would've looked playing in the Southern Conference? Or how Steph Curry would've looked going up against Duke and UNC a few times a year? The one time he played UNC, he didn't shoot the ball well.

It'll be interesting to see how they both develop in the NBA.
 
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So are you now tryna say Douglas is better than Curry?
 
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I haven't seen him play so I won't say that, I'm just saying, the numbers he put up in the ACC, and winning Defensive Player Of The Year in the ACC is more impressive to me than lighting up the Southern Conference.
 
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